HOT TOPIC: SHOULD U BE PAID!?

A bit off track here,

In the most perfect scenario, a organiser pays the all the bands
(based on gig posted in Soft.com..average per whateverFEST
6 bands.
250 to 350 bucks.

Total about = 2k for artists
exclude -other rentals etc..

What is the average turn out for a local wateverfest?
and How much is the local willing to pay to attend a local gig/fest?
$ 5$10? $20$30 or still asking for free gig/fest?
 
drumnoob said:
reyrey: i don't tink i will give up. all i know is that i am doing better than u. and generally speaking, i am standing up for the benefits of musicians regardless of my views. and don't act like frog in the well. 250 is noting. there r MANY others drawing a higher pay.
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dude...if you're better than me,so be it,i dont give a damn...
but i dont see your point...you're fighting for musicians right for getting paid and not spoiling the market bla bla bla
when you're good,money will come to you,not you demanding for money...i dont see the need of blabbering all bout getting paid n stuff,if you want to get paid then play in a pub,not charity gig or whatever gig that promotes local music scene...
some people just doing it for passion and not for some materialistic reason...
i believe most of people that do free gig or 'unpaid with money' performance,looking to be paid in different way....eg. crowd that appreciate the music or recognition blablabla....to some of them,its worth more than money....
so if you still want this paid thing to work for you...i guess you should speak to the government,asking them to setup some policy about it...
posting in soft,wont get you anywhere to your goal,only some people agreeing and disagreeing with you....
good luck with that
 
problem with arguements and debates like this is

IDEALIST VS REALIST

remember my young padawans....

MONEY IS KING and DONCH CHOO DENY IT.
 
to start, this isn't even a hot topic, the starter of this thread just thinks so, with his butt-brain.

there r many ppl who play music and perform cos it gives them the shiok, and so if playing for free still benefit them (plus the organisers) why not?

of cos less the people like the miserable starter of this thread who red-eyed hiding one corner behind his computer .

well this is a cut-throat business world, not a when-i-am-not-paid-i-cry-mommy-and-i-go-on-strike-with-daddy-sister-and-maid.

how often do you see people eating in their fav restaurant yet demand payment? well, not in most places, but we often see it here.

losers... :P
 
Haiz, paid or not paid is always a problem.

If the band should decide to play a free gig for their own reasons,
such as just to get a free jam, or just want to find a place to gig, I dun think there's anything wrong with it.

The bigger picture though is how this will affect the value of local bands
and the local music protocol. On one hand, organisers shouldn't take for granted that bands are "free", on the other hand, bands should show professionalism if they were to ask for paid gigs. Each party being reasonable, the local music scene will grow.

When there is a market for a band, people will pay u. If there isn't, u will
probably be paid just a symbolic amount to cover transport. New bands may ask, if I don't go for paid gigs, how can I start the trend of getting paid?

Going to a lot of gigs doesn;t mean u get established. There's a lot of other things to work hard on to get established. Such as creating good publicity and improving musically. When a band gets to that certain level of marketability and establishment, they will get paid gigs. Becoz they now have value to the gig itself. And if they don't, then it's fair that they reject the gig. And of coz if they ask for an unjustified large amount, it's also probable that they get rejected for the gig.
 
roxta: yea i agree u should pay if u know things about that band. but even for small timers, pay them a little la! don't need to be alot.

snuffleupagus: if the organisers can't afford it, y even have the idea of having a band? a setup is not cheap too! i don't wish to talk about tix selling here. =)

AgingYouth: yes u r right. popularity works in a way too. in fact pop is perhaps the biggest market! i am not really fussy about paying high or low. as long there is some appreciation, i guess it is fine. =)

Paulo:yea, i had a gd laugh.

parablue74: a photographer luvs to take gd pictures. he has the PASSION FOR it. but he is not tat gd compared to pro. then organisers exploit him to take free photos for him. u tink is fair? i believe u feel unfair too. its the same theory. "And event organisers and venue operators should know this for a fact, that they themselves get paid for their services, so why are bands and musicians an exception???" sum organisers don't get paid themselves they might argue. giv them the benefit of doubt.

eyrey: if u don't giv a damn, y post? and i agree when u r good money will come to u. but sum passionate guy is not tat gd! should we rebate him his transport? or just exploit him!? and wat about government? HUH!? u mean they can actualli hav a salary guide for things like these? don't get a shit out of it.

edder: money is indeed king. people r more "ideal" than me by ignoring it.

Kwerty: sorry man. my english is not that good. pardon me. =)

Plaid: butt brain? not hot topic u come for wat? "how often do you see people eating in their fav restaurant yet demand payment? well, not in most places, but we often see it here. " HUH!? eat in restaurant demand payment? wth? and please, me myself is doing ok, i don't need to cry over it. i am just trying to voice out sum discomfort. no need to scold people losers. i find your points r POINTLESS anyway. and this has been 7 pages, u go start one see lo. crappy guy.

hub37: if u wan to perf for free, there is always the free jam nights at pub. u can get all the shoik u want. "The bigger picture though is how this will affect the value of local bands
and the local music protocol. On one hand, organisers shouldn't take for granted that bands are "free", on the other hand, bands should show professionalism if they were to ask for paid gigs. Each party being reasonable, the local music scene will grow. " yes i agree with that. actualli u nailed it.
 
drumnoob said:
reyrey: if u don't giv a damn, y post? and i agree when u r good money will come to u. but sum passionate guy is not tat gd! should we rebate him his transport? or just exploit him!? and wat about government? HUH!? u mean they can actualli hav a salary guide for things like these? don't get a shit out of it.
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dude,read the post properly la,i say 'if your're better than me,i dont give a damn' dont put words into my mouth

you didnt understand what im trying to say man...
i say if you want to solve this thing,posting on soft wont get you anywhere near on solving this issues...you better go to people or organisation that can help you,ministry of unpaid musicians or whatever...

sorry man,i dont see any point on debating over this topic,well,all the best to you yeah,ciao
 
I do think bands/musicians need to be paid a certain amount of money but i think if everyone start talking about money.. then It's business. A deal must to agreed by both parties, the bands/musicians and the orgainser. So i guess nobody can really complain if the organiser think they can provide a good entertainment gigs for the audience by not paying the bands/musicians... then there's the way he do business. nobody can blame them. if he can't deliver the standards, audience would not go to the gigs this organiser arrange in the future. he/she have their reputation at risk. :) on the other hand, if bands/musicians wanted to get explosure for their bands/new releases and perform for free, then I find no reason we should complain about it too. cause is a win/win sitution for both parties. :) anyway... everybody have the rights to accept or reject any offer the gig organiser gave. if the bands/musicians are not happy and still wanted to get explosure, they can always organise their own gigs. :) I don't think anyone can complain about this. :)
 
the ideal situation is for organisers to have to pay the bands, so they would carefully choose/audition which bands they want to invite or allow to perform. This ensures quality.

However, who are we to deny the amateurs their chances of performing or organising their own free gigs? Everyone starts and cockups somewhere. People go to these gigs expecting it to be free, and the bands play for free anyway.


In the end, the demand will decide how the supply is run. A paying audience will provide a paying gig.

PS: I still think commercial venues (like pubs) should pay or at least give a token sum to bands performing.
 
drumnoob said:
parablue74: a photographer luvs to take gd pictures. he has the PASSION FOR it. but he is not tat gd compared to pro. then organisers exploit him to take free photos for him. u tink is fair? i believe u feel unfair too.
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For small organisers, I don't feel like this is a problem because there's always the possibility of exchanging photo favours for a beer afterwards, but I strongly disagree with making use of amateur/semi-pro photographers to take free photos just because of the passion when you definitely have the money for it.

A certain event beginning today comes to mind... :roll:

rottenramone said:
doesn't seem to work leh. no chicks so far. :(
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Nvm we go eat chicken rice as long as you let me at your MM...
 
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