thailoverboy
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i is definitely gng in dec, u can join me and my frens if u dont mind
anyway, i can smell a war starting soon on this thread....... :lol:
anyway, i can smell a war starting soon on this thread....... :lol:
HOT TOPIC: SHOULD U BE PAID!?
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AgingYouth
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Who is your friends? I is meets quite a few cute girls there b4.
artyman:thailoverboy
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cute and over friendly girls huh bro aging youth bro
my frens r thai
my frens r thai
AgingYouth
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Hurhur, bro thailoverboy bro, hurhur... Looks like I'd need to rearrange my work schedule.
But I heard that the BKK 100 Rock Fest is returning next year. No point going there so many times in a span of a year leh...
But I heard that the BKK 100 Rock Fest is returning next year. No point going there so many times in a span of a year leh...
thailoverboy
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bkk rock 100 back by popular demand huh...
got poison or not?
i rather go shopping seriously
got poison or not?
i rather go shopping seriously
DoubleBlade said:
Sorry I don't quite agree to what you say.
Are you saying playing blink 182 = not professional? Or does not encourage a sense of professionalism?
Let's put it this way, there are people who do this for their bread, and others don't. We should not judge, or be bothered. If you are not happy people spoiling market, go out and show some of your talent and prove that you're worthy of that amount of money.
Good luck in life.
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this is actually a very serious problem and will directly affect the music industry.
scenario: 5 people who have interest in playing music each bought their instrument and learnt by themselves for 1 year. formed a band and jam for sometime. decided they want to perform. go around asking to play in gigs. got no offer. so decided to organise their own gig and get other bands in who are willing to do it for fun. did good promotions and got all their friends to bring their friends to attend the gig. gig performance so so. audience not engaged.
problem: the ordinary listeners will be turned off by band performance coz their impression of them are not good. other gig organisers find it harder to get people to go to their shows.
we always say "let's go this place to eat coz there are lots of nice food".
we need a lot of nice bands.
gig organisers should pay the band. the band must put up good performance. audience must be willing to pay for good performance.
then, we will have an industry.
else we will only have a 'scene'.
scenario: 5 people who have interest in playing music each bought their instrument and learnt by themselves for 1 year. formed a band and jam for sometime. decided they want to perform. go around asking to play in gigs. got no offer. so decided to organise their own gig and get other bands in who are willing to do it for fun. did good promotions and got all their friends to bring their friends to attend the gig. gig performance so so. audience not engaged.
problem: the ordinary listeners will be turned off by band performance coz their impression of them are not good. other gig organisers find it harder to get people to go to their shows.
we always say "let's go this place to eat coz there are lots of nice food".
we need a lot of nice bands.
gig organisers should pay the band. the band must put up good performance. audience must be willing to pay for good performance.
then, we will have an industry.
else we will only have a 'scene'.
G
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well, if the bands sell tickets to for the gig they're gonna be playing, and if each tickets costs $5, for every ticket the band sells, they earn $1 commission? it's a win-win situation. organisers earn money, or break even, and the bands get to earn (provided they sell the tickets).
geraldkoh: firstly, i didn't wan to put pro in the picture. i think u are the one who brought it up. and just like fgl, he has a full time job, but how about others? lets say he plays real well and gigs for free. don't u tink is spoiling the market for others? even if he die die don't wanna take the money, he can always pass them to his band mates. if everyone gigs for free, then forget about dreaming of our next generation having a easy route to be a pro.
my defination of pro is, skill up to certain standard, and is a full timer.
thailoverboy: i nv grumbled about paying too little. as long it is a gesture of appreciation. even an amount that can buy 2 macdonals is gd to cover transport. i think that is healthy.
PatheinRaindropMoe: i am sorry my friend. i am new here. pardon me if i repeated a thread.
deaththreats: tats if your band is developed and into marketing. but sad to say, not all have the chance. u r hoping to get publicity in return. but i just hope for others, a mere fee could be given as transport or time in return.
AgingYouth: i too meant out door gigs. youth park, kovan, blar blar. do u feel that a fee should be given? of course it must be given in regards to standard, reputation, blar blar. but even for newbie bands, a small amount goes a long way.
reyrey: i don't tink i will give up. all i know is that i am doing better than u. and generally speaking, i am standing up for the benefits of musicians regardless of my views. and don't act like frog in the well. 250 is noting. there r MANY others drawing a higher pay.
Ec-Rose: yea, the last time i played at crazy elephant i got paid with booze. no probs with me. as long as i don't spoil the market, i find it cool.
soft: yes u r right. payment must be in proportion to standard wise. a new band should not qoute higher than more experienced and better bands. nevertheless, if they were invited to a gig, i expect them to be paid, at least for the transport. in my opinion, i feel that in some way, paying musicians well raise the general standard and benchmark for us. if u can't pay or recieve, don't spoil the current market. it is bad enough!
Paulo: bands that r new should know their own limits. if everything was about passion, u won't be laughing at singapore idol's audition. those guys hav passion too!
my defination of pro is, skill up to certain standard, and is a full timer.
thailoverboy: i nv grumbled about paying too little. as long it is a gesture of appreciation. even an amount that can buy 2 macdonals is gd to cover transport. i think that is healthy.
PatheinRaindropMoe: i am sorry my friend. i am new here. pardon me if i repeated a thread.
deaththreats: tats if your band is developed and into marketing. but sad to say, not all have the chance. u r hoping to get publicity in return. but i just hope for others, a mere fee could be given as transport or time in return.
AgingYouth: i too meant out door gigs. youth park, kovan, blar blar. do u feel that a fee should be given? of course it must be given in regards to standard, reputation, blar blar. but even for newbie bands, a small amount goes a long way.
reyrey: i don't tink i will give up. all i know is that i am doing better than u. and generally speaking, i am standing up for the benefits of musicians regardless of my views. and don't act like frog in the well. 250 is noting. there r MANY others drawing a higher pay.
Ec-Rose: yea, the last time i played at crazy elephant i got paid with booze. no probs with me. as long as i don't spoil the market, i find it cool.
soft: yes u r right. payment must be in proportion to standard wise. a new band should not qoute higher than more experienced and better bands. nevertheless, if they were invited to a gig, i expect them to be paid, at least for the transport. in my opinion, i feel that in some way, paying musicians well raise the general standard and benchmark for us. if u can't pay or recieve, don't spoil the current market. it is bad enough!
Paulo: bands that r new should know their own limits. if everything was about passion, u won't be laughing at singapore idol's audition. those guys hav passion too!
ideally u should only pay if you know what your paying for....
but unfortunately gigs aren't like makeup.you cant test the bands before you buy them and you cant sell them on yahoo auctions if you decide you hate them.
i've been to gigs with 90% crappy bands n i cant take my money back.....but at least i know to stay away the next time when i see their names on posters n stuff.....
but unfortunately gigs aren't like makeup.you cant test the bands before you buy them and you cant sell them on yahoo auctions if you decide you hate them.
i've been to gigs with 90% crappy bands n i cant take my money back.....but at least i know to stay away the next time when i see their names on posters n stuff.....
snuffleupagus
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If the organisers can afford it, then let the bands be paid whether they are good or not.
Its a way to encourage them I guess.If the organisers cannot afford it then forget it.
Revenue can be generated from Sponsors and selling of over priced drinks too, to fund the event and payouts or whatever.
Don't really need to charge the audience tickets I guess.Gotta be creative.
Its a way to encourage them I guess.If the organisers cannot afford it then forget it.
Revenue can be generated from Sponsors and selling of over priced drinks too, to fund the event and payouts or whatever.
Don't really need to charge the audience tickets I guess.Gotta be creative.
AgingYouth
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drumnoob said:
Yeah, I do agree. In the best scenario, we'd love to pay everyone a good sum of money. Unfortunately, this is not so.
And standard and reputation have absolutely nothing to do with renumeration. The keyword is popularity. For example, take the Allan Holdsworth gig and the Coldplay gig on the past Monday night.
I'm sure you'd think that Allan Holdsworth's much more credible as a musician and a far greater musical visionary than Coldplay. However, their performance fees were incredibly far apart. We are talking about very low 5 figures and high 6 figures.
If a new band who is not even musically tight, they are able to pull in a crowd. Why not? If the organiser's goal is to generate revenue in a club, why not? If it's open air venue, the organiser's goal is to pull in an immense crowd to a) show the sponsors that the brand awareness is reached, b) convince potential sponsors or c) just have a good time. Why not?
This topic is those kind that you can spend 10 hours in a kopitiam and debate/ argue until the cows come home and still not being able to reach a definitive conclusion.
If you think that the offer to your band is too low, don't take it. If you think that your band should be paid higher but is still not, think of how you can increase that fee. Play more 'commercial' music? Think of how you can attract more girls to your show (Btw, this point is very valid, doode)?
If you dun have bargaining power, all your points are moot.
drumnoob said:
yeah its all moved on but the basics hasnt changed i believe- as a teen we had walk to auditions, just to join a competition [not mentioning gigs yet] in the 80s. the only competition that let us hit the stage in prelims was the expo and all later competitions that came about.
gigs were hot then too, old timer rockers now, like Sweet Charity, the Unwanted, Napoleon Bonaparte, Blue Cross, Heritage did pack the house. at the National theater and expos, maybe it was all that we had then but it was so alive.
parablue74
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It is common sense question to me, and i knoe a lot of organisers are going to curse at me for that, but come on, they know what i am talking about here.
Everyone should be paid for any service they provide, whether good or bad. As long as effort has been made on their part, they should be paid. The other question is how much!!!
Getting free service out of some reasons or the other is basically stingy, plain hypocrite and making use of others. That shows a lag of respect for musicians in this country.
Put it this way, go out and ask for services like computer repairs, event organising, telemarketing etc all over the world, and you have to pay for their services. Even if their services are not top of the line, as long as they deliver the goods, they get paid. Why are musicians and bands an exception in this case???
Isn't it for the fact that people know musicians/bands need publicity that is why they make use of their services, demanding free entertainment???
And event organisers and venue operators should know this for a fact, that they themselves get paid for their services, so why are bands and musicians an exception???
Everyone should be paid for any service they provide, whether good or bad. As long as effort has been made on their part, they should be paid. The other question is how much!!!
Getting free service out of some reasons or the other is basically stingy, plain hypocrite and making use of others. That shows a lag of respect for musicians in this country.
Put it this way, go out and ask for services like computer repairs, event organising, telemarketing etc all over the world, and you have to pay for their services. Even if their services are not top of the line, as long as they deliver the goods, they get paid. Why are musicians and bands an exception in this case???
Isn't it for the fact that people know musicians/bands need publicity that is why they make use of their services, demanding free entertainment???
And event organisers and venue operators should know this for a fact, that they themselves get paid for their services, so why are bands and musicians an exception???
