Heavy Thick Sounds

[Naz]

Hey guys.. I need some help here.
Well my band had started playing hardcore songs..
And well i found some difficulty trying to find the right sound..
I wanna have a thick and heavy sound that shakes the jamming room when i palm mute my guitar.
I do need help guys.
help me yaw and btw i'm using Zoom G1X effect pedal.
Is there any combination that is possible for me to obtain the right sound or must i combine it with other gadgets?

 

[almondx]

It is possible to obtain a huge wall of sound from your effects, but you most probably need a humbucker guitar and a 4 x 12 half stack at minimum. There's a video on youtube with JerryC demonstrating the differences from a 1 x 12 to a 4 x 12 and the differences are huge.

 

[Naz]

thanks bro..
can you give me the link to dat vid?
:mrgreen:

 

[wayne1991]

found it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBB0Y8siSUU

 

[loldude333]

Wld be gd to know ur guitar too. Wat pickup combi? All needed to get that tone. No use if ur using Fender Vintage pickups.

 

[almondx]

Lol, should sticky that vid as an answer for people who ask "how to make my les paul copy through my mg15 sound like slash!!!! PLS PLS PLS NEED HELP MASTER PLS PLS" ergh =p =p

 

[AaronSoFat]

hmmm. never use multi effects default programs.

 

[Anirudh]

BOSS MT-2?

its a great pedal that gives heavy distortion that can cause vibrations up your ass.lawl.

its a good pedal i heard..tho i dont have it.

im using the built in FX in my FENDER G-DEC amp

cheers

 

[HarrisonYeo]

guitar wood plays a part of tone . pickups , amps , u're fingers .

 

[ShredCow]

In this case, I'd suggest, just go for a larger amp/speakers/cab.

Its not about the pedal unless you are up to spending otherwise, give it a miss - most Boss pedals are made with the bedroom player in mind and possess a boxy sound, especially the MT2 and that new metalcore thing (which is really bad).

However, I'd also suggest to the threadstarter, the key isn't wall/earth/studio shaking sound... its what sits in the mix & band well. Unless you want to be Malmsteen.

Go try to get a studio with larger amps - call and check - then make sure those amps have some decent on board gain. Heck, most solid state amps today have decent onboard gain.

Then when you are jamming, use a longer cable, get the band to play loud and you walk around. Walk out a little, listen to the mix, the singer, the bass and drums. Thereafter, adjust your volume or eq.

More mids or less. More bass or less. Start low on the EQ, then move up slowly.

I can tell you that a solid state marshall MG50 or MG100 can have some surprising tone and monster crunch.

 

[Whitestrat]

but you most probably need a humbucker guitar and a 4 x 12 half stack at minimum.

I can get that with a single coil on a strat...

What matters is the amp and the pedal...

 

[almondx]

I can get that with a single coil on a strat...

What matters is the amp and the pedal...

Sigh, that's cool, but the OP is looking for a "hard core" sound. Using a single coil is not going to help. You may get be able to get it with a singlecoil but using a humbucker is going to make things much easier. I think you will be hard pressed to make a single coil sound bigger than a humbucker through the same rig. Anyway, note that I say probably and not "must" when I recommended to use a humbucker and a 4x12 stack.

Pedal does not matter at all, as evident by the JerryC video so kindly posted. The same pedal/multiefx/podxtl sounds smaller through a 1x12 as opposed to a 4x12.

The flybar guitarist btw, uses a zoom gfx as well. Would you say his tone sucks or sounds small? How about 300W home theatre systems? There's certainly no pedal running through and processing the signal yet it sounds huge so how can a pedal matter to a large extent?

You're right in saying that the amp, or rather, the speakers and the volume of air being pushed matters.

 

[MaCcA]

max out the bass...turn the gain up as high as yur amp can take....and use yur bridge pickup

works for me ^^

 

[Whitestrat]

Sigh, that's cool, but the OP is looking for a "hard core" sound. Using a single coil is not going to help. You may get be able to get it with a singlecoil but using a humbucker is going to make things much easier. I think you will be hard pressed to make a single coil sound bigger than a humbucker through the same rig.

You obviously haven't heard a Kinman HX-85 in the bridge... heheh...:twisted:

 

[tomkeifer1986]

thick sound

easy.you can mix 1 main distortion pedal with another overdrive pedal.
for the dist pedal just alter it to the desired sound.then for the overdrive pedal just switch it on.
with the dist and od pedal on try to get the desired dist sound by tweaking your od.this way you get a thick drive with a little more volume and this is great for chugga-ing.this method may get a little noisy but theres always noise suppressor.

if jamming room got any head.put the drive to 10 and use a od to boost it by putting the od drive to maybe 8 or 9 oclock.and add a noise suppressor.yeah.heavy thick sound for you there.

 

[trianglebiscuit]

use the gain channel of the studio amp, eq to get sufficient bass but without getting woofy, mids high, treble to taste. set the gain around 12 o clock and run your guitar thru a overdrive pedal with gain 0, level 10.

should suffice i think.

 

[almondx]

You obviously haven't heard a Kinman HX-85 in the bridge... heheh...:twisted:

It's very close to the P90 sound, but still not quite the humbucker

 

[Whitestrat]

It's very close to the P90 sound, but still not quite the humbucker

True... But we're talking about a heavy sound, and I feel the HX-85 does quite well enough. Due to actual physical points of detection, nothing gives a humbucker sound like a humbucker, and not even the single coil sized humbuckers with blades gives that. But my point is that you don't need a humbucker for that really heavy sound.:mrgreen:

 

[Godspeed64]

two words..
METAL MUFF..
its the most thickest and fattest distortion i've heard.. heh

 

[ShredCow]

True... But we're talking about a heavy sound, and I feel the HX-85 does quite well enough. Due to actual physical points of detection, nothing gives a humbucker sound like a humbucker, and not even the single coil sized humbuckers with blades gives that. But my point is that you don't need a humbucker for that really heavy sound.:mrgreen:

Man, you are talking about slightly different things here....

Almondx is going on about the SOUND...

But I believe, my man, you are going for the VIBE, the whole ATTITUDE thing, and less on the sound...

To which, both are right.

However...

I'd say that Whitestrat sir, your points matter more in the LONG run when the guitarist is finally at the stage in his playing where the whole VIBE and FEEL makes the "sound". Which, to me (duh, since I'm posting), means a whole lot more than just the actually eq/sound.

You can play punk rock on humbuckers and sound like simple plan or you can play Punk Rock on single coils and sound like *insert REAL punk band*