Gibson's neck tenon and why I won't buy another Gibby

empty71 said:
To KC and all,

I have no hidden agenda and I don't appreciate the innuendo/insinuation :( I've noticed a few individuals have posted innuendos/insinuations which attack my character and integrity.

I honestly don't get that vibe in your posts in other forums if you ask me. You know what you posted before and there's no need for me to highlight them here. But I should apologize for being unprofessional. I shouldn't be insinuating anything toward a fellow professional. I hope you accept this apology and hopefully we'll be open enough to PM each other from now if we have anything to voice out.

sincerely,
KC
 
If you're proud of your vocation, then you shouldn't mind pple making that distinction, or being labelled a 'guitar tech'.

Regardless, let's keep this a healthy discussion, free from insinuations and stuff.
 
GC said:
I honestly don't get that vibe in your posts in other forums if you ask me. You know what you posted before and there's no need for me to highlight them here.

KC,

I've did a search on all my posts in the forums I'd posted in and for the life of me am unable to locate anything that's "derogatory" or a slant against anyone so pray tell what was it that I'd posted that'd offended you. As mentioned before, I've no hidden agenda. I also do not go out of my way to solicit business as some people here have implied. On the other hand, I've been the victim of cheap pot shots. It's obvious you've got an axe to grind.

To my knowledge, the only post which I'd received slack for was at the misse forum and again, my intention was misunderstood. My intention was just to let valhalla know what he's getting himself into. On hindsight, I could've been more tactful.

http://mrmisse.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1120748866&page=1

Your apology is accepted and please, I would appreciate no more insinuations of any kind.
 
On a lighter note, I sure have an axe to grind as I am a hellecaster's fan =). Anyway, I respect you for putting tha post up. However, If you wanted to say that you were the best, its fine but no need to mention names. It's a bit pretentious to say that was good intent right? Its like me saying I want you to learn to be more tactful with my insinuations. =)

C'mon, Michael Jordan or Tiger woods don't need to proclaim their status. If you continue doing what you do, I'm sure you'll succeed given you skills. However more than a modicum of tact and humility is required. Teach more rather than preach. Sometimes pissing people in the industry off is worse than pissing customers off.

cheers,
KC
 
Its very easy to fall in the trap of ad populum fallacies.

Er... I am an iconoclastic maverick. :)

Well, Jordan and Woods don't need to proclaim their status because they are sportsmen. Tune in to some sports channel and you can see them in action. (Saw for MJ, too bad he's retired) :wink:

Lutherie and repair service for guitars aren't sports. It's a craft. Sports and crafts aren't the same. Different. Customers can't see the quality of such services immediately. Different.

Different, different, different.
 
Into the fray....

jumbofret said:
Lutherie and repair service for guitars aren't sports. It's a craft. Sports and crafts aren't the same. Different. Customers can't see the quality of such services immediately. Different.

Different, different, different.

EXACTLY!

like condoms and guitars.

I think there is no point in disputing people, i think there is a point in disputing facts.

Anyway, 70% of the world are idiots.. that leaves 30%... where do you stand? i know i still stand in the 70%.

...with a frayed rope i hold on to..
 
airhole said:
EXACTLY!

like condoms and guitars.

I think there is no point in disputing people, i think there is a point in disputing facts.

Anyway, 70% of the world are idiots.. that leaves 30%... where do you stand? i know i still stand in the 70%.

...with a frayed rope i hold on to..

Nice to see you posting George. We have disputes all the time but its all good =).
 
alamak,

jumbofret, you frank, i also frank. it's quite obvious you have something against GC... come on man chill out and grow up.

your arguments quite immature...
 
ShredCow: how you know all are men? heh heh. kiddin :)

Yah lah... come on... PEACE. Pakistan got earthquake, europe got birdflu, india kanna attack by terrorist... man...

let's be happy that we all have a guitar to play whether it be Gibson (overated) or MIJ (underated) or Turtlemuscle (not rated).
 
people think gibson and fenders are so good, its like engraved in their heads... they pick up one and they feel like it's the best guitar in the world...

they pick up another strat/lp copy, they'lll think its inferior to fender's/gibson's automatically, either cuz its cheaper, or cuz of the brand names...

well, its time to wake up... if u think ur $500+ lp copy sux, well, do urself a favour, change ur pickups and make life better by reminding urself that a gibson's $1000+ lp sux as much, if not more, then urs... cheers!
 
In any case, if you sound like shit on any guitar, you should be shouldering at least 90% of the blame for playing like shit. The guitar's build and etc should only be responsible for the remaining 10%.
 
airhole: I was describing quality mgmt processes within manufacturing industries, you missed my point. Never said they are completely the same, but there are parallels & similarities between them. Besides, quality management systems are applicable to most, if not, all industries.

Welcome to SOFT, Airhole!
 
simple discussion turned into an eventful and interesting debate. anyways. hope the KC and malcom settle their differences, and yeah..let's all be more aware of each other's feelings from now on shall we?

i believe that each tech, luthier or repairmen charge different prices for their own reasons, and yeah, that will price may be way out of people's budgets, but if they can, and are willing to participate in the market, in YOUR market, then that's fine. otherwise, well....too bad for them then! yeahh..

what i see is that, sometimes, we get irritated at insinuations, or hidden suggestions, or stuff like that, coz of our own personal reasons. maybe, this is what i see, no harm intended, is that by telling everyone that his services are top-notch quality, WHICH I DON'T DOUBT, malcom may have indirectly 'pissed' some ppl off, coz it may have read this way instead to them: i charge higher than other shops because i do a better job than they do, and that if you go there, you may not even get your stuff repaired properly.

but that's an assumption.

well, from the stuff that i've read from malcom's posts, i believe that he's not an unreasonable guy, and yeah, that he does do great repair jobs.

for KC, well, some people will be targetting you, but i do feel that, yeah, though some goods in your shop may seem to be 'overpriced', you charge them at that price for a good reason too. you have a pricing strategy, and i'm more than sure that you do look after your guitars well. i believe that that short newspaper article shows your competency too.

thing is, singapore is a small market, so, yeah, you'll be bound to cross each other's path, and well, hope that when that happens, it'll be a peaceful one. =)

though i've not dealt with malcom directly, i'm looking forward to it, when i have the dough and the situation arises, and also with KC, coz i've only been to your shop once or twice, to check out what gems i may find, and i've not come across anything yet.

well, let's keep this thread informational to the ppl shall we, i mean, with your wealth of knowledge, i'm sure that you guys can benefit the others a lot. =) i mean...with malcom's experience in luthierie, and his setups over the years, and with KC's daily dealings with 2nd hand goods, and also setups..yeah...

so..about the neck... =)

when it is broken, what does a tech actually do to repair it?
 
are you guys trying to revive a decomposed body instead of trying to let it go to rest and rot :lol:

oh well, i just bump this whole thing again. anyway :lol:
 
Hmmmmm...... interesting the way this tread progresses, and the mud slinging contest. I'm just wondering why is everyone trying to rack their brains to scrutinize every single minute detail.

The picture at face value I take it is there to show the difference in the kind of neck joint that 2 different models adopt. Am I wrong in that assumption? Please correct me as I have never seen the site, or know the actual full content of the actual page.

If that's is the meaning of the picture then, it's logical to assume that they simply get any "Production Rejects" to cut up in half, just to show the illustration of "WHAT KIND OF JOINT IT IS". Would you cut up a completed good guitar when you have plenty of half done rejects lying around??

Illustration purpose, means the cut-up is already done with, no possibility of becoming a complete guitar anymore. So if my assumptions are right, then all these nitty-titty griping are meaningless, the original intention is lost.

That's the problem with internet age, people being laden with TOO MUCH INFORMATION. (too much of a good thing is definately a bad thing) :smt011
 
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