Gibson's neck tenon and why I won't buy another Gibby

empty71

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The above guitar is a regular production Gibson Les Paul while the guitar below is a Custom Shop Historic Les Paul model.

The strength of the neck joint is dependent on the area of the mating surfaces and there is very little mating surface on the top model. The good news is if you happen to drop a production Les Paul, chances are the neck will snap off cleanly and could be a straight ahead but still pricey fix but if you drop a Historic, the neck will most probably break at the 16th fret where the neck joins the body. Now that's factoring in the possibility that the headstock doesn't snap first on both accounts.

Gibson had these posted on their own Custom Shop website and the point for the photo was to illustrate how much better the custom shop Historic's build quality was compared to the production models :roll:

As mentioned in another thread, one of my pet peeve about Gibson is their frets are usually dressed too much and not crowned properly. Matter of fact, the frets on the production models are not crowned at all. They just dressed the frets and sandpaper them to remove the sharp edges. I've seen some decent fret work on the Historic models but they're few and far between. Most of them suck. The Japanese and Korean copies have better fret work than most Gibsons although uneven frets are pretty common on the import models.
 
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empty71 said:
Gibson had these posted on their own Custom Shop website and the point for the photo was to illustrate how much better the custom shop Historic's build quality was compared to the production models :roll:
ROFL :lol:
 
ok guys... you can start selling me your Gibson Les Paul. They're not worth much now.

My loss your gain. Offering $500 for your Deluxe, $400 for your Standard and $300 for your Studio. :D
 
lol... i wonder if u guys have seen that X ray pic of "weight relief" holes in Les Pauls yet :lol:
If your les paul isnt a historic, and was purchased in the last 10-12 years, it should look like this :

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edder said:
ok guys... you can start selling me your Gibson Les Paul. They're not worth much now.

My loss your gain. Offering $500 for your Deluxe, $400 for your Standard and $300 for your Studio. :D

$600 for your customs! :smt003
 
Suddenly, this thread became "A Gibson LP dream wish for Christmas".

Seriously, Swee Lee needs to top it up a notch! :lol:
 
honestly....i think all Les Pauls sound pretty much the same.

But it's not about quality or sound...it's about how cool the guitar iz !! :lol:

We only want Gibby cause [insert fav playR here/Slash/Zakk/Areosmith/....] plays one and they looks cool.
 
I guess the same can be said of Fender, PRS etc...

To manfacture a successful guitar brand....firstly, u start out by being
exclusive, top notch workmanship etc.....

then as you become popular and ready for the mass market, u cant expect all parts of the guitar to be handmade with strict QC... therefore, outsourcing comes into play. Therefore, the overall quality of the guitar suffers.

Thats also another reason why the real vintage stuff command heaps of $$$$ as they are deemed to be the real quality pieces.

APPLE computers are going the same way, exclusive at 1st but now trying to break into the mass market and what do they do in the process? they are getting intel chips .....
 
Nah, they don't like that cos they don't have any use for the knickers... Unless they are cross-dressers!

However, they have a use for those who throw themselves at them! It's So Easy! :twisted:
 
Writer said:
APPLE computers are going the same way, exclusive at 1st but now trying to break into the mass market and what do they do in the process? they are getting intel chips .....
Lol... how many chip makers are there?
IBM can't even produce enough chips on time... :roll:
 
Outsourcing doesn't necessarily mean a drop in quality. It's the production rate of the plant that affects the quality of the guitars. The higher the production rate of a particular model, the more likely quality is compromised.
 
Sure...it depends who you outsource to rite?

Fender Japan wasnt exactly an outsourcing strategy...
Just making fender guitars for the japanese domestic market.

The bigger a corporation grows the more likely (not definitely) the
lust for profits and hence cost cutting etc. Quality suffers in 9 out
of 10 cases.

Profits before the people....

Any driven the new toyota altis? courtesy of our thai neighbours....
 
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