dotted 8th delays - how to???

[dudelove]

i'm slowly learning how to appreciate the delay pedal after a long period of shunning them.

i've looked through alot of dotted 8th videos and tutorials trying to learn how to do it. but most of them require a tap tempo. is it possible to do dotted 8th delays without a tap tempo?

i'm using a mx carbon copy and it has 600ms of delay time. is that sufficient?

 

[niteblade]

its analog right? the digital ones would probably be better as the repeats are stronger sounding

 

[widdly]

600ms is dotted 8 at 75 bpm. That's the slowest tempo you can go.

Practice with a click or drum track. Its a matter of rotating the delay time while playing a steady repeating note until you hear the rhythmic pattern you want.

You can definitely do it with your pedal.

 

[kernelspy]

You can definitely do it with your pedal.

Yes.

I can actually do it with the Echo mode of my DE-7.

 

[dudelove]

600ms is dotted 8 slightly less than 60 bpm. That's the slowest tempo you can go.

do u mean i have to max out my delay time? i dont really understand what u just said

niteblade: yes its fully analog circuitry. since u said the repeats of a digital delay are stronger sounding, would u suggest i increase the repeats and increase the output of the wet signal of my delay?

okay now i know that i can do it with my pedal are there any certain techniques or tricks i can pick up from u guys to pull off the dotted 8ths

 

[widdly]

sorry it should be 75bpm.

75 beats per minute.....

therefore 1 quarter note = 1/75 of a minute = 60 / 75 seconds = 0.8 seconds

8th note = 1/2 quater note = 0.4 seconds

dotted 8th note = 1 1/2 8th note = 0.6 seconds = 600 ms


If the tempo is less than 75 bpm, the length of the dotted 8th note would be more than 600ms.

For faster tempos, you should be using less than the maximum delay time.

 

[huangyz16]

basically almost any delay pedal will be able to do dotted eight delays.

the problem with a non tap tempo pedal like the carbon copy. is how are you supposed to know where to set your 'delay time' knob for different tempos?

for example a slow song that is 75bpm like they said, you would have to max your knob out to the 600ms setting. but for other songs maybe its like at 11oclock.

thats why its easiest to have a tap tempo delay for rhythmic dotted eight delays. once you tap in the tempo, they automatically set the delay time for you..

 

[niteblade]

there is generally a sweet spot. set it to around 3 strong repeats before it fades

for me, palm muting is one of the more important techniques to make it sound good if youre aiming for the u2 type of sound

 

[widdly]

basically almost any delay pedal will be able to do dotted eight delays.

the problem with a non tap tempo pedal like the carbon copy. is how are you supposed to know where to set your 'delay time' knob for different tempos?
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By using your ears. It's pretty simple, play a steady repeated short note and twist the delay time until you feel the groove kick in.

Check what the edge does here at 5:10....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncAHx5V2WhQ

...no tap tempo involved.

 

[Ized]

I usually set my DD-7 to the 800ms setting (dotted 8ths according to the manual). I vary the delay times from 350 - 600 depending on the tempo of the song.

Tap tempo is also a must....i cant live without one. I still prefer analog-ish sounding delay on my leads though, so i hit my H2o for that. Its short echo into the DD7 is just gives my solos more depth. Couple that with my DD7 and its quite a versatile setup.... in fact i got complaints from my band that my sound is too full.. so i gotta reduce the level of my delays in the mix since i play in a 2-guitar band:mrgreen:

 

[Gr3y]

you guys referring to technique like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2EyupH54Bs?

 

[gsonique]

Since i use 2 delays....i get the best of both worlds.
Bending down to tweak the delay for percussive repeats has become a norm for me and it adds mojo too ..

I have seen guys who use a delay unit that displays BPM, writing em down on their song sheet trying their best to nail it... hardly works for me unless i jam with a machine!

 

[dudelove]

you guys referring to technique like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2EyupH54Bs?

yeah like that. but not the sick picking technique. just the delay

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

were the infos useful in helping to get the 8th thingy?

 

[dudelove]

were the infos useful in helping to get the 8th thingy?

yeah i more or less know how to set the delay time after what widdly said.

but now its more of playing technique that concerns me. any tips?

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

heh, widdly mentioned the most important tip, thats to listen.

imho, to get those thingy, listening is a must, to hear how the repeats "trail" the picked notes.

after that, off the delay, play the geetar without delay. Listen to how the playing/picking pattern sounds like, without delay. I can guaranty that the picking pattern is so simple(without delay), anyone can do it, as long shown the way to do it.

so once used to the picking pattern without delay, the moment when the delay is activated, all the dotted here there will unfold itself.

heh, that said, its really much more easier to show it in person than to write though

 

[widdly]

My advice is to go learn to play pride by u2. It's to the delay pedal what smoke on the water is to the guitar. The riffs are so easy you can concentrate on the .8th delay thing and the song wont sound right until you get the delay sorted.

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

heres something done 5mins ago, to reinforce what i was saying in the previous post. The relationship between picked note and the repeats. Its done as simple as possible, to show how monotonus the picked notes are, without delay, then with the delay(set to 1 repeat only) how the repeats started having the "running around" with the picked notes to give a sense of rhythm

the time of delay setting aint important, repeat is set to 1 repeat only. The clip will end at 1.15min. Theres a long silence after that, can stop the clip after 1m 15sec.

deng deng deng

 

[Benster]

it is possible with a non tap tempo pedal. but you will have to spend time to think, calculate, and adjust it according to the song tempo, which is a big pain to do when you play live. furthermore, most analog delays only go to 300ms or less, which isn't enough for most dotted 8th songs.

a digital delay pedal with a dotted 8th setting and tap tempo makes life a lot a lot alot easier.. eg. Boss DD5, DD7, DD20..

if you have time.. check out 'Never Be The Same' here. it's my little tribute to The Edge.. www.en-x.net

 

[dudelove]

hey pathein thanks loads man. that helped alot.