:arrow: Anybody interested in a SOFT online competition?
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bluepowder
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hehe alright...even being a competition...still gotta find other musicians right????
bluepowder
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hehe alright...bit les blur now...haha....i was wondering if we were gonna be teamed up right here or do we choose...now clear...hehe :lol:
Cheez
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Bongman, no prizes lah! At least not at this stage. The purpose is to improve ourselves.
As for judges, this is the tough part. Although Shredcow is right in that the public's opinion may be biased towards a particular genre, going public may help us try to learn how to cater to the public's taste. This is going to be difficult - we don't want to conform, but at the same time we want to capture their attention. Good way for those of us just starting out - give us an idea of how to market our music. We may be surprised that the public vote more for jazz than rock, if the jazz arrangement is really great.
This is a friendly competition. Although we should put in our best efforts, let's try to have fun at the same time! Don't get too caught up with competing!
However, there are some details that need to be sorted out before we can start.
1. We need James to approve it!!! If it's OK with him, musicians will send all music directly to him. We need SOFT's bandwidth to stream the music.
2. We need to set a date-line. My suggestion is one week max. It's good to see how people function under time constraint - although one week isn't really very short.
3. At the end of one week, James can then post all the music AT THE SAME TIME so everybody's music is out for voting together - to be fair. Music will be named by numbers - no names will be linked to any of the music so voters will not be biased towards names.
4. There need to be a system that one person can only vote once. Not sure how - James, any ideas?
5. Voting goes for 1 week (maybe shorter?). Then close the votes. Highest vote is the winner! Rest 2 weeks, start again next month with the winner coming up with the next melody line.
Once in a while, we can have a big competition - ie if the response is really good. We can then go by what Shredcow suggested - a panel of qualified judges. Maybe get some famous people involved here??
What does everybody else think?
Then maybe, maybe, after a year, we can get all the winners' music and put them up into a SOFT CD that we tried to do some time ago (which didn't kick off)!!!
Although melody line is the way we get a central theme to each competition at this stage, some time later we may want to try some other means. Perhaps, we can come up with a theme such as "Reminiscence" or something esoteric like "Why?" :lol: , and have free form composition/arrangement/performance. Everybody write something that brings the theme to live.
As for judges, this is the tough part. Although Shredcow is right in that the public's opinion may be biased towards a particular genre, going public may help us try to learn how to cater to the public's taste. This is going to be difficult - we don't want to conform, but at the same time we want to capture their attention. Good way for those of us just starting out - give us an idea of how to market our music. We may be surprised that the public vote more for jazz than rock, if the jazz arrangement is really great.
This is a friendly competition. Although we should put in our best efforts, let's try to have fun at the same time! Don't get too caught up with competing!
However, there are some details that need to be sorted out before we can start.
1. We need James to approve it!!! If it's OK with him, musicians will send all music directly to him. We need SOFT's bandwidth to stream the music.
2. We need to set a date-line. My suggestion is one week max. It's good to see how people function under time constraint - although one week isn't really very short.
3. At the end of one week, James can then post all the music AT THE SAME TIME so everybody's music is out for voting together - to be fair. Music will be named by numbers - no names will be linked to any of the music so voters will not be biased towards names.
4. There need to be a system that one person can only vote once. Not sure how - James, any ideas?
5. Voting goes for 1 week (maybe shorter?). Then close the votes. Highest vote is the winner! Rest 2 weeks, start again next month with the winner coming up with the next melody line.
Once in a while, we can have a big competition - ie if the response is really good. We can then go by what Shredcow suggested - a panel of qualified judges. Maybe get some famous people involved here??
What does everybody else think?
Then maybe, maybe, after a year, we can get all the winners' music and put them up into a SOFT CD that we tried to do some time ago (which didn't kick off)!!!
Although melody line is the way we get a central theme to each competition at this stage, some time later we may want to try some other means. Perhaps, we can come up with a theme such as "Reminiscence" or something esoteric like "Why?" :lol: , and have free form composition/arrangement/performance. Everybody write something that brings the theme to live.
bluepowder
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hmm...just a suggestion....but i used to post on the guitars101 site...they got a pretty cool setup for battles and stuff....maybe follow on those guidelines but make it more suitable for us!!
Cheez
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Bluepowder, can give a link? Can't see it in guitar101 site.
Still, we don't need anything elaborate or extra things to set up. Other forums have set up "Orchestration Challeges" and it basically uses the forum poll system to vote - everything was done within the forum and nothing extra was set up. Very simple and easy. Nothing extra for the moderator.
Still, we don't need anything elaborate or extra things to set up. Other forums have set up "Orchestration Challeges" and it basically uses the forum poll system to vote - everything was done within the forum and nothing extra was set up. Very simple and easy. Nothing extra for the moderator.
bluepowder
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http://www.guitars101.com/vb/forumindex.php
alright this takes u to the forum page...
there under the battle section...there are 2 categories...
battle challenges-where someone throws a challenge...or in this case lays down a melody line i suppose
and battle main-where the players actually post their tracks ...and g101 members vote...standard is 10 votes to win....apart from that...it is divided into sections by genre....(there are a few stickys there showing how it works)
Then under the music files section..there is the monthly mp3 contest which i guess is more similar to what we are trying to do here....where a lot of ppl post their songs...based on a theme...and then everyone votes.....again the stickys explain everythign...
alright this takes u to the forum page...
there under the battle section...there are 2 categories...
battle challenges-where someone throws a challenge...or in this case lays down a melody line i suppose
and battle main-where the players actually post their tracks ...and g101 members vote...standard is 10 votes to win....apart from that...it is divided into sections by genre....(there are a few stickys there showing how it works)
Then under the music files section..there is the monthly mp3 contest which i guess is more similar to what we are trying to do here....where a lot of ppl post their songs...based on a theme...and then everyone votes.....again the stickys explain everythign...
bluepowder
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Hmm...i guess one week is kinda short....or is it? 8O might be inspiration enuff hehe
Cheez
Moderator
OK, realised that some who want to collaborate may need time for recording. 2 weeks OK.
Maybe for one competition in the future, we can have a "rushed arrangement" in which we put all competitors under strict time-constraint (like 72 hours) to come up with an arrangement and a rough recording. That's real life anyway - we are always asked to come up with music in a very short time. Good practice also!
Wow! This is getting fun. I think we can have quite a number of variations to this competition.
Let's wait for James to respond. Meanwhile - more suggestions?
Maybe for one competition in the future, we can have a "rushed arrangement" in which we put all competitors under strict time-constraint (like 72 hours) to come up with an arrangement and a rough recording. That's real life anyway - we are always asked to come up with music in a very short time. Good practice also!
Wow! This is getting fun. I think we can have quite a number of variations to this competition.
Let's wait for James to respond. Meanwhile - more suggestions?
bluepowder
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hmm:
so many "improvs" can be made on this idea...
different themes...different styles...different timings....
so that each player can have his own "area of expertise" and players of lesser played styles like jazz country and bebop dont get left out...know what imean??
apart from this..what do u guys think of maybe some sort of points system...i mean if there are no prizes might as well have points or something....apart from the FUN ofcourse
so many "improvs" can be made on this idea...
different themes...different styles...different timings....
so that each player can have his own "area of expertise" and players of lesser played styles like jazz country and bebop dont get left out...know what imean??
apart from this..what do u guys think of maybe some sort of points system...i mean if there are no prizes might as well have points or something....apart from the FUN ofcourse
Cheez
Moderator
Good idea. We can have a jazz focus, bebop focus etc. But I'll tend to stay away from that as it is getting to be a niche - once you put it as a jazz competition, you lose a large proportion who absolutely cannot play jazz. We should try to keep it as open as possible - so each can choose his/her own preferred genre. Main thing is to keep the same theme (in this case, the same melody line). But once in a while, I think we can still do that.
As for point system - can you expand more on that? May be interesting...
As for point system - can you expand more on that? May be interesting...
Re: Anybody interested in a SOFT online competition?
To complete the piece is by repetition/improvisation (eg. A1-A2-A3-A4)?
or we can add in some melody line (says B) on the original melody (says A), ie A1-B1-A2-B2...etc?
Just hope the number of participant is enough for this activities to proceed...
BTW,
James, any comment on this activities?
Cheez said:
To complete the piece is by repetition/improvisation (eg. A1-A2-A3-A4)?
or we can add in some melody line (says B) on the original melody (says A), ie A1-B1-A2-B2...etc?
Just hope the number of participant is enough for this activities to proceed...
BTW,
James, any comment on this activities?
bluepowder
New member
hmm good point...the categories liek those would be minorities...but maybe it can be taken up when there is someoen who wants to play jazz and the ppl who wanna accept can accept.....as for the points....
battles fought....battles won...battles lost....
whatsay 8)
battles fought....battles won...battles lost....
whatsay 8)
Cheez
Moderator
If it is a 4 bar melody line, that becomes the main theme. Of course, you can add in your own melody and expand on that. But remember that the main theme is the 4 bars.
This will be a good way for people to learn arrangement. The possibilities are endless. You can have an inversion of "A", "B" which is totally different from "A" etc etc. And it will be very interesting to see what each come up with, and how each interpret the melody. Wah! Can't wait to listen!!!
This will be a good way for people to learn arrangement. The possibilities are endless. You can have an inversion of "A", "B" which is totally different from "A" etc etc. And it will be very interesting to see what each come up with, and how each interpret the melody. Wah! Can't wait to listen!!!
Cheez
Moderator
bluepowder said:
Battles won and lost... can be discouraging for people who loses too much! Can you imagine if somebody gets zero or negative points???!!! What about this - all first, second and third winners of each competition stands a chance of getting their music cut into a SOFT album at the end of 1 year... The key word here is "chance" - so no promise...
bluepowder
New member
hmm thats true...maybe no negative points....haha....or if we gonna be really really ncie...we could just have a only battles won points...but the thing is that does not reflect on the players abilities right...cos a guy cld have won 5 out of 6 battles but it would not reflect as well as 10 out of 20 battles...well upto James....hehe
wow, i still thought i can be lazy... haiz.... then suddenly got so many response.
I think it is a great idea too!
ok, to get things started, I will somehow magically produce a 16 bars melody. JUST MELODY and then everyone else can take the melody and do up a song with it.
You guys continue to bounce more ideas on the submission and judging stuff. I will collate the post up the details.
* any company/studio/school wanna sponsor any prizes, your support is most appreciated. info@soft.com.sg
I think it is a great idea too!
ok, to get things started, I will somehow magically produce a 16 bars melody. JUST MELODY and then everyone else can take the melody and do up a song with it.
You guys continue to bounce more ideas on the submission and judging stuff. I will collate the post up the details.
* any company/studio/school wanna sponsor any prizes, your support is most appreciated. info@soft.com.sg
bluepowder
New member
hehe cool...sounds like fine....how about the time and stuff??2 weeks??
