An Interesting Conversation

[dom]

Anyhow, Christianity originated in Germany. So might as well take it to be another Nazi craze, just that it involes religion

yy_fuctup, please get your facts right. christianity did not originate in germany. i don't know where you might have gotten this idea from. dont come up with "facts" just to support your stand. no offence meant to you in any way. just make sure your statements are true. you can state your opinions, by all means. but when you're stating facts, make sure that you've got it right.

peace bro.

 

[yy_fuctup]

Okay. You want proof? I'll give you proof.
http://www.williamtyndale.com/0biblehistory.htm

 

[dom]

my dear brother

christianity long existed before the bible. PLEASE get your facts right. christianity started after Christ's death, when his apostles went out spreading his word. THAT is the origin of christianity. some people might even debate that christianity began at Christ's birth. what you have shown is the origin of the protestant reformation.

 

[yy_fuctup]

That is not. It's how the bible got out to public. And only when publicized and recognized, is one deemed to be made.

I'm sure that a manuscript written 1300 years after Jesus's birth would be extremely reliable.

Have you ever even considered that since the bibles were mass-produced in Germany, that it could be the consequence of dominant power in Germany at that time?

I take it that you might possibly be Christian. If I'm not mistaken, then let me ask you a few questions.

God was male, yes?

If the bible only contains what is inspired by his word, then where is his word?

The bible is interpreted by people and yet still referred to as Holy?

Was Jesus God?

These are simple questions and just for the sake of answering.

 

[dom]

i'm not going to answer any of your questions. i have stayed out of this debate for a very simple reason. it is pointless. a debate with no winners or losers. just people feeling sore because they cant win. i just want to make sure you know what you're saying and that you don't say the wrong things. the web-page speaks of the Pope, which already means christianity existed. so i just want you to know that christianity existed long before the bible and did not originate in germany. simple. peace and cheers.

and by the way, the bible going out to the public is PART of the protestant reformation. please read up more. one source alone is insufficient.

 

[yy_fuctup]

If you see it that Christianity originated since Jesus's birth, then I guess it is subjective. I believe that only when one is recognized to the public then it is.

You are right, there is no winners or losers. However, there's always the possibility of one learning about the flaws about his/her religion and others being inclined to have faith due to this thread.

The webpage does not exactly speak of the pope. It speaks of the origin of the Bible we read nowadays.

 

[soft]

Important point to note

Stay calm in any conversation. We discuss to learn.

ALL members must be courteous and respectful towards ALL other members at ALL times, no exceptions.

 

[dom]

alamak bro, i mean mentions the pope. nevermind all this. not many people will accept flaws about their religion, though people might be inclined to have faith. i do agree that many, almost all religions, have a loopholes and flaws. that is were faith comes in. faith answers questions that we cannot answer.

christianity started when Jesus's disciples started spreading his word after the descent of God's spirit. That is the start of the church. that precise moment is the birth of christianity and the public came to know of it. a religious book alone is not what built christianity. there were many christians long before the bible was compiled...

anyway, i hope you see what i'm saying. i'm stating facts here and i dont wish to continue in this thread. so yep.

cheers!

+1 to james.

 

[yy_fuctup]

But were there records of Jesus's name being passed on before the mass-printing of Bibles? No.

That's unfortunate, and this conversation was just getting good.

 

[Hydrofly]

what... james still not closing this thread ah... yea, what dom says is true, the bible is the official canonization of the texts we call gospels, and that was long before the protestant reformation. Those texts were the basis of the official religion of ancient rome, emperor augustine was it? Yes, jesus' name was passed on long long before the protestant reformation. Rome's official religion... HELOOOO

 

[dom]

But were there records of Jesus's name being passed on before the mass-printing of Bibles? No.

That's unfortunate, and this conversation was just getting good.

yes there was. flavius josephus, a historian of the time, published his history of the jews in AD 93. quoting from it:

About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared.

there you have it. evidence. dude there is no use arguing with me. i know my facts.

 

[yy_fuctup]

Love, ancient Rome combined several diffirent cult practices and used more than a single set of beliefs.

I'll answer tomorrow. After school. Off I retire to bed.

 

[dom]

your point being? by the way, flavius josephus was a jew. bear in mind, i am not talking about anything other than your statement about christianity originating in germany. just withdraw your statement, as there is sufficient evidence to show it did not. and i'm very sure no one even thinks it did.

 

[Hydrofly]

Love, ancient Rome combined several diffirent cult practices and used more than a single set of beliefs.

I'll answer tomorrow. After school. Off I retire to bed.

unfortunately, protestants share all of these as well. Christmas applies to protestants no? We all know its a pagan celebration of the winter solstice.

 

[dom]

by the way yy_fuctup, you keep on changing your point. can you please stay on course with your initial statement? haha

and could you not call me "love"? my girlfriend calls me that, dude.. you calling me that is just weird. haha. peace.

 

[j_m_s]

If you argue on that basis, then I guess I can state my points too.

God is just, yes?

Then why God it a He? That is inquality itself.

And secondly, why did God create beings who are lesser than him, instead of equals? That isn't very fair of God, is it?

Thirdly, who was the one who placed the apple tree in the garden?

Furthermore, males and females. Equal? If God was so perfect, he would have thought of what differences could create.

There's many more I can state.

God created us in his own image.

It was SIN that first seperated man from god. Thats what is blocking us from god. But of course theres ONE way god provided for us to counter that.

Why god is a he? Its just used to call him. Like how we call a country a she or a boat she.

God created everything. He created the trees and apple trees. The garden of eden? What apple trees. FYI there were NOT apples...

 

[j_m_s]

That is not. It's how the bible got out to public. And only when publicized and recognized, is one deemed to be made.

I'm sure that a manuscript written 1300 years after Jesus's birth would be extremely reliable.

Have you ever even considered that since the bibles were mass-produced in Germany, that it could be the consequence of dominant power in Germany at that time?

I take it that you might possibly be Christian. If I'm not mistaken, then let me ask you a few questions.

God was male, yes?

If the bible only contains what is inspired by his word, then where is his word?

The bible is interpreted by people and yet still referred to as Holy?

Was Jesus God?

These are simple questions and just for the sake of answering.

The bible was not written 1300 years after jesus was born. it was written during his time and after his death.

Interpreted by people? Its more than that. Its literally god TALKING to people. he TOLD the writers WHAT to write.

Was jesus God?

Hmm. ill leave that out. it might be abit too much of a topic to debate.

cheers.

 

[j_m_s]

You know, mods can you please close this thread, i'm an atheist and i find some posts extremely offensive to my beliefs. If religious people are allowed to defend their faith, i think i also have a right to keep them off condemning me. So please, keep ALL theological arguments OFF soft.

+1 to keeping theological arguments off soft.

 

[soft]

I feel we do not need to close this thread, yet. We can help each other understand better. We can present our viewpoints and let others decide for themselves.

As for yy_fuctup, maybe as a learner, you can try to be less offensive in your post?

For the rest, let's anwer yy_fuctup's doubts and help her along.

 

[fuzztremecho]

=yy fuctup

Allah does not meant "to surrender".and there are non-Muslims working and living in Dubai

=big brother soft
as others have suggested, it is wise to close this thread,please

its no use to say about this religion or that religion when your beliefs and faith are being put under the microscope. nobody is comfortable with this.

as i have said earlier in my posting,respect and acceptance the differences among us is of the utmost paramount.Irresponsible postings with intent to cause embarassment and hurt would likely escalate to something bigger

in the course of my previous work, i have seen the situation in southern Thailand,Sulawesi islands and its very sad.

relationships that were painstakingly nurtured failed and neighbours did not trust each other although they have been knowing each other for their whole life.nobody sleeps peacefully at night. all this is due to hot headed irresponsible people who wants nothing more than to stir up trouble and causing the harmony that has existed between 2 close (albeit of different beliefs) neighbours to break.

wives without husbands, children without parents.this is indeed very sad.

i for one, value this harmony that we have here. whether you are a beleiver or atheist, this is entirely personal and should be respected and accepted.