An Interesting Conversation

[Nicholasim]

for the argument abt whether god exists or not ->http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com

this has been promoted by some guy on soft before. Just sharing the link.

 

[empihsrow]

We really cannot prove that God exists and yet at the same time we cannot totally deny that God doesn't exist.

If you'd studied biblical codes and theology, you'll realize it's too much of a coincidence. But on the other hand, you cannot prove with science that God exists since no one has ever known to interact with God directly.

But I believe one day we might finally come to a conclusion. But whatever the conclusion is, the debate about God will still continue till the day we can finally prove our points.

 

[visa]

it is an act of faith for us to believe that our logic, reasoning and scientific explanations have any relation to reality at all.

 

[Dime]

lets put it this way.if you believe there is god than there is god if you dont then there isnt god.

one day we will all die and finally the answer to god's exictence will be revealed.

 

[ac]

Usually that opening post conversation is used by christians to demonstrate the arrogance of science embodied by the prof and the simple humility of faith embodied by the student, after that it's full on evangelising and hip hop hooray singalong sessions at the Rock.

Brilliant! steady pom pi pi !

 

[Resetti]

it's not an act of faith to believe in scientific method.

how logic and scientific method works is all documented out. If you think it makes sense, then go for it.

The important thing about scientific method is that it allows for improvement and correction.

It doesn't claim anything to be true. It says this is the best theory we have at the moment, if you think you have a better one, by all means go ahead and propose and show it, everyone's interested to listen and consider.

Through this open method of improving knowledge, we have moved from flat world, to earth centric universe to a earth non-centric view and so on. Newton's Laws have been replaced by better ones.

 

[Zarin]

interesting indeed!!

 

[fuzztremecho]

friends

be very careful in the water we're threading here
such discussions called for an open and mature thinking

as all of us are aware, such topics on religion are VERY VERY SENSITIVE in our tiny island
all it takes is an irresponsible person to ignite the whole discussion

we do not wish that this thread to be monitored by the authorities
for all we know, they might slammed hard on us and our forum might be affected

as it is, different beliefs had played a part in our society and they are all crucial for nation-building for this island we called home

some of us are young to know what our parents,grandparents have gone thru ie the racial riots, the 87 marxist conspiracy, JI issue

what our island have achieved in maintaining this harmonius cultural/racial/religious balance is nothing short of miracle

however this miracle is achieved thru hard work-tolerance and acceptance of the differences that exist among us

i am speaking this from my own personal experience

Logical and rational discussions and thinking must be observed.If this thread is deemed to hot for us to handle,ignore it.

If not observed and learn.

Live and let live

 

[serialninja]

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and
cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not
teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

this conversation, sir, is flawed. evolution can be observed by observing any organism with a short lifespan. you can prove evolution with a petri dish and some free time. go back to school.

 

[musicandtaxis]

cool! well, i believe religion is just something people look to when science don't answer their questions.

 

[Resetti]

evolution?

demonstration of designs being created entirely by the process of evolution.

The Golem Project.

http://demo.cs.brandeis.edu/golem/

 

[edder]

haiyah.... argue so much for what... who is right who is wrong?

doesn't matter anymore these days as long as we don't step on anyone's shoes with our beliefs which certain individuals from both sides who are eager to do so.

for those inclined, get some humour here, some guinness to go with it will be nice.
http://www.jesusandmo.net

 

[sshaz-ni]

Actually, we cant really solve this situation. This is a secular argument.
Well, points seen are in a realist and a anti-realist person.
Some might say things exist cause we can relate it to our 5 sense. (John Locke)
While others might say it exist cause of its explanatory terms and we are only aware of it indirectly. (Bertrand Russell).

Realism depends on our perceptions of things.

 

[panz3rr]

God as we all believe to know the definition, is the creator of everything. Its an unknown entity. No one has ever seen,taste, hear, felt god. If the scientists believe that science created everything, isn't it the same as looking at science as a GOD by itself, creating earth, evolution etc. I mean u call it science, but indirectly it is still God. Definitely u cant see, taste, hear or feel science. I just think science is a religion by itself.

 

[ac]

dude science isn't a religion. It's a methodology, and a state of inquisitiveness. It does not create anything, or define anything as bad or good, but tries to explain how things work through rigorous testing.

It's unfortunate, but western religions view this as a bad thing, because the more you know about how things work, the less you are inclined to believe anything the religious books say. Many examples exist throughout history, where regimes and dogma squashed scientific thought just because it was thought to be too contrary to their views -- copernicus and heliocentrism, the end of the golden age of islam, the amish.

 

[shinobi]

people use religion as a form of moral and social regulation. it doesnt matter what religion, as long as it is religion. karl marx thought it was a tool for governments to control their people. mao thought that it was opium.

so i don't see the point of using science to disprove religion. there is no end and we are wasting time debating about it. the whole idea of "faith" is believing in something that is not apparent or cant be proven

 

[Vaiyen]

does anyone here believe in the traditional conception of God as a man with a long white beard sitting on a throne?

 

[Dime]

santa clause?

 

[headwan]

This a perpetual debate that wont end. On one side ppl who have faith will argue abt scientology idealism and the other side vice versa. Followers from Abraham blood line will belief of Adam and Eve was the first human on earth while Scientology belief that "big bang" was the beginning of creation of life on earth. Both debatable, both incident happened are unseen or witness by ppl in present time. Both theorically basis.So my last say, believe in what u think is true and move on... No point argue

 

[ac]

This a perpetual debate that wont end. On one side ppl who have faith will argue abt scientology idealism and the other side vice versa. Followers from Abraham blood line will belief of Adam and Eve was the first human on earth while Scientology belief that "big bang" was the beginning of creation of life on earth. Both debatable, both incident happened are unseen or witness by ppl in present time. Both theorically basis.So my last say, believe in what u think is true and move on... No point argue

Deh, scientologists believe humans have melded with aliens exiled from their homeworld by the warlord xenu, which causes all our mental problems, and the only way to be clean is to be evaluated/audited.