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john_dzite
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After all being said. It still comes to a conclusion that...
when there is good, there is bad
when there is rich, there is poor
when there is sound, there is noise
when there is real, there is fake
when there's people who believe in god, there is people who doesn't believe in god
this is what we actually believe in imo.
when there is good, there is bad
when there is rich, there is poor
when there is sound, there is noise
when there is real, there is fake
when there's people who believe in god, there is people who doesn't believe in god
this is what we actually believe in imo.
bluepowder
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Why again are people confusing religion with God?
Tribalcast
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When do we really evolve as human beings? Is just physical attributes or advancement in thinking?
When there comes a time where we all accept one another as a whole, can there be true balance?
When there comes a time where we all accept one another as a whole, can there be true balance?
roninriot
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Ok guys here's something simple.
What is love, as an emotion?
It isn't something you can feel with your hands, smell with your nose, taste with your tongue, see with your eyes or hear with your ears.
But we all know love is real
It's the emotion that makes your heart skip a beat, it's the feeling of disappointment when a guy or girl doesn't return your phone call, it's your mother and father, brother and sister, it's with your friends, it's when you write a good song, it's when you cry and it's when you laugh. It's even what makes people jealous or angry.
Love is real. It exists not on faith but in who we are. We, as human beings, are not merely a result of science. Science was man-made and adopted, analyzed and studied by us. But what came before science, before the molecules and cells that make us up? What makes up the components that make up the basic components of life?
We can never answer these questions. So I guess all we really have is faith and love.
What is love, as an emotion?
It isn't something you can feel with your hands, smell with your nose, taste with your tongue, see with your eyes or hear with your ears.
But we all know love is real
It's the emotion that makes your heart skip a beat, it's the feeling of disappointment when a guy or girl doesn't return your phone call, it's your mother and father, brother and sister, it's with your friends, it's when you write a good song, it's when you cry and it's when you laugh. It's even what makes people jealous or angry.Love is real. It exists not on faith but in who we are. We, as human beings, are not merely a result of science. Science was man-made and adopted, analyzed and studied by us. But what came before science, before the molecules and cells that make us up? What makes up the components that make up the basic components of life?
We can never answer these questions. So I guess all we really have is faith and love.
sonyericssonk610
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there have to be evil to see what is good. If theres no evil what is there to define good?
God gave Men freewill in life or else we will all be like robots.
God gave Men freewill in life or else we will all be like robots.
I think you're mistaken about science.
Science doesn't make human beings. Science is just a practice of systematic gathering of knowledge. Before the word science was coined, simply using reason and logic is the basis of scientific thinking.
The only problem with scientific discoveries, for most folks, is the contradictions it puts up with regards to religious doctrine and thought.
Science doesn't make human beings. Science is just a practice of systematic gathering of knowledge. Before the word science was coined, simply using reason and logic is the basis of scientific thinking.
The only problem with scientific discoveries, for most folks, is the contradictions it puts up with regards to religious doctrine and thought.
Pastor of Muppets
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there are many things wrong with the thread-starter's story
1) science does not claim that god doesnt exist. it just says that theres no qualitative and quantitative proof of it. theres a difference.
2) ironically, the "duality" the student speaks of is an inherent aspect of religion and NOT science. there is no good/bad or right/wong in science. only what we know and what we DONT know. we know that there is no evidence of god. therefore, up to this point, god's existence cannot be proven. does that mean he doesnt exist? at this point in time, yes he does not. science will say god exists when there is evidence of it. this is something religious people cannot grasp. anything that questions 'faith' is immediately 'bad'. so "duality" is something that is inherent in religion and the religious. heaven/hell, sinner/saint, infidel/believer, my god/your god, my denomination/your denomination...the "with us or against us" mentality is built into religion.
2) science is not about "opinion" as the student claims. in fact, its the opposite. its based on empirical data. opinions have nothing to do with it. only undeniable facts. in fact, science is the ultimate 'anti-opinion'.
also, the professor sounded like an idiot asking those ridiculous questions....just a foil created obviously so that the student can bounce his 'great speech' off of and prove a point about 'faith'
3) evolution is a theory. "theory" in science is very different from its everyday meaning (something religious people cannot grasp). scientific theories are based on evidence and testing using defined steps. once these tests satisfy the hypothesis, it becomes fact-based theory. otherwise, it becomes nothing. god was one of those hypothesis that became nothing. simple.
4) evolution has been widely observed and proven. again, religious people say "have you seen a monkey evolve into a man? no? so its not observed". of course you cant see that you dummies. not unless you're an immortal. evolution is at the cell level. bacteria, viruses, diseases, and a slew of other organisms have been proven and observed to evolve. thats why viruses can develop immunity to drugs and can transpose amongst species.
5) "god is infinite, He cannot be measured". so is the tooth fairy. in fact so is allah and vishnu and zeus and thor and Ra and the animal gods. yet your priest probably tells you that THEY dont exist doesnt he? not only do they not exist, believing in them will make you a infidel! oooooh
hmmm... i thought he cannot be explained? yet theres a book all about explaining him, explanations that you believe to be the WORD of god no less! hypocritical no? so god can be explained, you just dont like explanations that dont agree with you dats all
this "god cannot be explained" bullcrap is the line that all religious people use when confronted with hard facts. its the "ultimate weapon" they deploy when facing a losing debate. you can say anything you want but "god is infinite and he cannot be measured and its not our place to ask. so there!". well, then theres really nothing more to say is there?
but the weird thing is...
do you see non-religious people trying to convert religious people into non-believers? nope. its always the other way around.
do you see non-religious people demonising the religious as 'bad people', sinners, the ignorant? nope. its always the other way around.
do you see non-religious people starting wars and bombing people? aiyaa, u know this answer
non-religious people help you because they want to. religious people help because they feel they should, a duty. theres a difference again.
from my personal experience, atheists and agnostics are alot more considerate and selfless than the religious who are more concerned with scoring brownie points. non-religious people also seem alot less judgmental and patronising.
1) science does not claim that god doesnt exist. it just says that theres no qualitative and quantitative proof of it. theres a difference.
2) ironically, the "duality" the student speaks of is an inherent aspect of religion and NOT science. there is no good/bad or right/wong in science. only what we know and what we DONT know. we know that there is no evidence of god. therefore, up to this point, god's existence cannot be proven. does that mean he doesnt exist? at this point in time, yes he does not. science will say god exists when there is evidence of it. this is something religious people cannot grasp. anything that questions 'faith' is immediately 'bad'. so "duality" is something that is inherent in religion and the religious. heaven/hell, sinner/saint, infidel/believer, my god/your god, my denomination/your denomination...the "with us or against us" mentality is built into religion.
2) science is not about "opinion" as the student claims. in fact, its the opposite. its based on empirical data. opinions have nothing to do with it. only undeniable facts. in fact, science is the ultimate 'anti-opinion'.
also, the professor sounded like an idiot asking those ridiculous questions....just a foil created obviously so that the student can bounce his 'great speech' off of and prove a point about 'faith'
3) evolution is a theory. "theory" in science is very different from its everyday meaning (something religious people cannot grasp). scientific theories are based on evidence and testing using defined steps. once these tests satisfy the hypothesis, it becomes fact-based theory. otherwise, it becomes nothing. god was one of those hypothesis that became nothing. simple.
4) evolution has been widely observed and proven. again, religious people say "have you seen a monkey evolve into a man? no? so its not observed". of course you cant see that you dummies. not unless you're an immortal. evolution is at the cell level. bacteria, viruses, diseases, and a slew of other organisms have been proven and observed to evolve. thats why viruses can develop immunity to drugs and can transpose amongst species.
5) "god is infinite, He cannot be measured". so is the tooth fairy. in fact so is allah and vishnu and zeus and thor and Ra and the animal gods. yet your priest probably tells you that THEY dont exist doesnt he? not only do they not exist, believing in them will make you a infidel! oooooh
hmmm... i thought he cannot be explained? yet theres a book all about explaining him, explanations that you believe to be the WORD of god no less! hypocritical no? so god can be explained, you just dont like explanations that dont agree with you dats all
this "god cannot be explained" bullcrap is the line that all religious people use when confronted with hard facts. its the "ultimate weapon" they deploy when facing a losing debate. you can say anything you want but "god is infinite and he cannot be measured and its not our place to ask. so there!". well, then theres really nothing more to say is there?
but the weird thing is...
do you see non-religious people trying to convert religious people into non-believers? nope. its always the other way around.
do you see non-religious people demonising the religious as 'bad people', sinners, the ignorant? nope. its always the other way around.
do you see non-religious people starting wars and bombing people? aiyaa, u know this answer
non-religious people help you because they want to. religious people help because they feel they should, a duty. theres a difference again.
from my personal experience, atheists and agnostics are alot more considerate and selfless than the religious who are more concerned with scoring brownie points. non-religious people also seem alot less judgmental and patronising.
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Actually I wouldn't agree with you. I don't believe that atheists and agnostics are considerably more generous and considerate than religious people. It's all down to human nature at this point and I wouldn't say that religions play a very big part in it.
And it isn't conclusive and true that atheists and agnostics are generally more considerate. You are offending a lot of people by generalizing with just your personal experience.
And it isn't conclusive and true that atheists and agnostics are generally more considerate. You are offending a lot of people by generalizing with just your personal experience.
daryl
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"from my personal experience, atheists and agnostics are alot more considerate and selfless than the religious who are more concerned with scoring brownie points. non-religious people also seem alot less judgmental and patronising."
Yeah I do not agree with you too but, empihsrow, is he really claiming that what he says is conclusive and true? He's just stating what he believes to be true from his "personal experience". Anyone who gets offended is being too sensitive.
Yeah I do not agree with you too but, empihsrow, is he really claiming that what he says is conclusive and true? He's just stating what he believes to be true from his "personal experience". Anyone who gets offended is being too sensitive.
pedialite
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Both will lead to our downfall..
http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/text.php
Government using both to manipulate us. Fear Fear Fear!
http://www.ascentofhumanity.com/text.php
Government using both to manipulate us. Fear Fear Fear!
Tribalcast
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tim098
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Pastor of Muppets, ur post is so flawed I dont even know where to begin so i ll go according to the order that u set up. I agree with part 1.
In part 2, u say that according to religious people, anything that questions faith is bad. That is completely inconclusive and baseless, coming from someone who clearly doesnt understand every single religion that exists. Also u seem to omit the fact that "evidence" of God is very relative.
In parts 3 and 4, u say evolution has been completely proven. It has not yet been proven 100% and therefore isnt proven at all.
Part 5 is just useless babbling. After that u seem to believe that all religious people say that "God cannot be explained" and foolishly so. U have to know an incredibly small number of religious people to give such an inaccurate statement and claiming that it covers the entire population of religious people.
U speak of converting. Have u ever thought that there is actually a LOGIC behind such things? Not everyone is, as u seem to claim, stupid enough to blindly follow what they are told to do. Non religious people help others because they want to while religious people feel it is a duty to. That simply shows how damn stupid, childish, senseless and naive u are, claiming that religious people help others not because they want to.
Your last statement claims that religious people are more judgemental that non religious. Well, by looking at certain parts of ur post, that statement is already void. Please do get a grip on life more and actually learn people more, instead of jumping to such conclusions.
In part 2, u say that according to religious people, anything that questions faith is bad. That is completely inconclusive and baseless, coming from someone who clearly doesnt understand every single religion that exists. Also u seem to omit the fact that "evidence" of God is very relative.
In parts 3 and 4, u say evolution has been completely proven. It has not yet been proven 100% and therefore isnt proven at all.
Part 5 is just useless babbling. After that u seem to believe that all religious people say that "God cannot be explained" and foolishly so. U have to know an incredibly small number of religious people to give such an inaccurate statement and claiming that it covers the entire population of religious people.
U speak of converting. Have u ever thought that there is actually a LOGIC behind such things? Not everyone is, as u seem to claim, stupid enough to blindly follow what they are told to do. Non religious people help others because they want to while religious people feel it is a duty to. That simply shows how damn stupid, childish, senseless and naive u are, claiming that religious people help others not because they want to.
Your last statement claims that religious people are more judgemental that non religious. Well, by looking at certain parts of ur post, that statement is already void. Please do get a grip on life more and actually learn people more, instead of jumping to such conclusions.
You know, mods can you please close this thread, i'm an atheist and i find some posts extremely offensive to my beliefs. If religious people are allowed to defend their faith, i think i also have a right to keep them off condemning me. So please, keep ALL theological arguments OFF soft.
yy_fuctup
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Hydrofly, I don't think you've got any rights to asked for this thread to be closed just because of how it affects you personally.
Anyhow, Christianity originated in Germany. So might as well take it to be another Nazi craze, just that it involes religion.
And Islam, there are places in the world, for example Dubai, where only Muslims are allowed. Ye, sure. Allah is fair. And Allah means "to surrender".
I don't see any point in religion. There's always flaws, no matter what religion it is.
Buddhism is the best yet as it regards metaphysics and not just simplifying actions and objects down to good and evil.
Anyhow, Christianity originated in Germany. So might as well take it to be another Nazi craze, just that it involes religion.
And Islam, there are places in the world, for example Dubai, where only Muslims are allowed. Ye, sure. Allah is fair. And Allah means "to surrender".
I don't see any point in religion. There's always flaws, no matter what religion it is.
Buddhism is the best yet as it regards metaphysics and not just simplifying actions and objects down to good and evil.
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