b33r
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$30 fine for eating sweet
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LadyInTears
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i was fined 30 dollars for drinking mineral water.
a plainclothed guy came up to me ask for ic and return, they mailed the fine to me, 30 dollars gone to quench my thirst
a plainclothed guy came up to me ask for ic and return, they mailed the fine to me, 30 dollars gone to quench my thirst
busy_listening
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Sigh... I had my fair share of complaining to almost everyone I meet, about this stupid inflexible rule of no water/sweets on the train. Now, whenever I'm on the train, I will suddenly get so thirsty! Hai, this is the result of being too self-conscious. Anyway, like as if we all dun alrdy know, complaining will bring no results in Singapore. Only way is to give it a few months for the whole issue to die down. Either that or create something else to keep the SMRT staff busy!
In Singapore, a sense of 'social responsibility' is more or less enforced in our hearts through stern government warnings and the ever-so-convenient notion of a 'fine'. Instead of not doing something because it is 'wrong', we do it cause we fear being fined. Even the woman who spoke up for the lady who was fined was so fearful of getting fined herself. Is our social conscience based on the harsh threats of fines?
And come on, it's a sweet. A SWEET?!
Just one of the many reasons why I'm gonna be a 'quitter' of this forsaken country.
And come on, it's a sweet. A SWEET?!
Just one of the many reasons why I'm gonna be a 'quitter' of this forsaken country.
Cheez
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The point is not what is being eaten or drank (be it plain water or juice). Their point is that drinks/food has the tendency to spill. Even plain water when spilled and stepped upon can be pretty messy. For most rides, if it takes less than 30 minutes to get to our destination, I don't see how difficult it is to wait till we get off the train, or to simply drink before we get on the train.
The only exception, I feel, is when people who need medications. Even for most oral medications, a delay of 20-30 minutes isn't going to kill somebody (or just take the medication BEFORE going on the train). Rare exceptions: eg. those with diabetes who are experiencing a hypo, he/she may need some sweet stuff quickly. Or a person experiencing an angina attack/chest pain - it would be silly for SMRT to fine him for taking emergency medications. I believe if the passengers can justify it on medical grounds, SMRT would not fine them. If they do, then they are shooting themselves in their foot.
The only exception, I feel, is when people who need medications. Even for most oral medications, a delay of 20-30 minutes isn't going to kill somebody (or just take the medication BEFORE going on the train). Rare exceptions: eg. those with diabetes who are experiencing a hypo, he/she may need some sweet stuff quickly. Or a person experiencing an angina attack/chest pain - it would be silly for SMRT to fine him for taking emergency medications. I believe if the passengers can justify it on medical grounds, SMRT would not fine them. If they do, then they are shooting themselves in their foot.
pulaubelakangmati
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Thank you for implementing one more ridiculous law. what a total bull crap
Okay, let's make a comparison here.
NZ vs SG, in terms of clean streets
I know the SG government Lovveeessss to hype up how clean and green Singapore is
But let's be pretty damn honest here
The only reason why we're clean and green is because of two things
1) We hire a truckload of street cleaners to sweep the roads and pick up the litter
2) We threaten to fine you for eating a sweet on a train. Oh yay!
Now, for those of you who have been on the streets of NZ, or maybe another lovely place in the world similar to it, you'd have realized the streets are also very clean.
I'd dare say, even slightly cleaner than our streets
But you do not see any cleaners in sight!
When I asked a few New Zealanders why their streets were so damn clean, their reasoning was very different from what you'd expect to hear from a Singaporean.
While a Singaporean would say "Oh if I litter, wait I kanah fine!" the New Zealanders simply said "Well, I'm not going to dirty the place I live in, am I? It's just the wrong thing to do."
Notice the difference?
You cannot FORCE social responsibility onto people. You cannot force a sense of pride into people. it has to be nurtured and grown over the years, and not borne from fear of getting in trouble but for a genuine love and patriotism for the place you live in.
And a genuine love and patriotism for a place you live in comes from being respected as an individual. To feel like your opinions matter, that your life has some sort of merit to the ways the laws are enforced in society. It makes you emotionally invested into the way things around you shape up. Not from RIDICULOUS laws - like getting fined for eating a sweet - being forced down our throats just to instill a sense of fearful compliance.
You know what's the saddest part of all?
Most Singaporeans would not openly agree with me, because they are fearful of speaking up against some aspects of the government that might need a little refinement, for fear of getting in trouble.
Pathetic. Just pathetic.
NZ vs SG, in terms of clean streets
I know the SG government Lovveeessss to hype up how clean and green Singapore is
But let's be pretty damn honest here
The only reason why we're clean and green is because of two things
1) We hire a truckload of street cleaners to sweep the roads and pick up the litter
2) We threaten to fine you for eating a sweet on a train. Oh yay!
Now, for those of you who have been on the streets of NZ, or maybe another lovely place in the world similar to it, you'd have realized the streets are also very clean.
I'd dare say, even slightly cleaner than our streets
But you do not see any cleaners in sight!
When I asked a few New Zealanders why their streets were so damn clean, their reasoning was very different from what you'd expect to hear from a Singaporean.
While a Singaporean would say "Oh if I litter, wait I kanah fine!" the New Zealanders simply said "Well, I'm not going to dirty the place I live in, am I? It's just the wrong thing to do."
Notice the difference?
You cannot FORCE social responsibility onto people. You cannot force a sense of pride into people. it has to be nurtured and grown over the years, and not borne from fear of getting in trouble but for a genuine love and patriotism for the place you live in.
And a genuine love and patriotism for a place you live in comes from being respected as an individual. To feel like your opinions matter, that your life has some sort of merit to the ways the laws are enforced in society. It makes you emotionally invested into the way things around you shape up. Not from RIDICULOUS laws - like getting fined for eating a sweet - being forced down our throats just to instill a sense of fearful compliance.
You know what's the saddest part of all?
Most Singaporeans would not openly agree with me, because they are fearful of speaking up against some aspects of the government that might need a little refinement, for fear of getting in trouble.
Pathetic. Just pathetic.
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biopromax
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HAHA.. Singaporeans will be Singaporeans.
Complain/Complain/Complain. SO many complaints on MRT/BUSes. Why stupid people go complaint at Stomp. And Mrt loose face. Last time where got all these mrt people patrolling to catch red handed people who are eating of drinking.
So as a Singaporean, stop taking photos of the culprits. Instead, go forward and tell them to stop their actions. AND now, eating sweets kena fine. Cause the SMRT peopler wanna cover their shame and to show that the authority is still there. The SMRT people have better jobs to do man.. Like the safety of the trains and buses.
If no one is complaining bout it, the SMRT won't be so ON like this.And Razor.tv crews was there too. Its WAYANG! So please stop snapping photos of those people who eat and drink, just tell them to.... Stop eating/drinking in trains.
And i think in future, people who is caught sleeping at the reserved seats will get fined too.. So many complaints yet again.
Complain/Complain/Complain. SO many complaints on MRT/BUSes. Why stupid people go complaint at Stomp. And Mrt loose face. Last time where got all these mrt people patrolling to catch red handed people who are eating of drinking.
So as a Singaporean, stop taking photos of the culprits. Instead, go forward and tell them to stop their actions. AND now, eating sweets kena fine. Cause the SMRT peopler wanna cover their shame and to show that the authority is still there. The SMRT people have better jobs to do man.. Like the safety of the trains and buses.
If no one is complaining bout it, the SMRT won't be so ON like this.And Razor.tv crews was there too. Its WAYANG! So please stop snapping photos of those people who eat and drink, just tell them to.... Stop eating/drinking in trains.
And i think in future, people who is caught sleeping at the reserved seats will get fined too.. So many complaints yet again.
fgl
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FINE THE PPL WHO DONT GIVE UP THE "RESERVED SEATS!
1ST OFFENCE = $50
2ND OFFENCE = $100 & CWO CLEAN MRT TOILET
3RD OFFENCE = $500 + CWO CLEAN MRT TOILET / COMMUNITY SERVICE HELPING OLF FOLKS HOME / KK MATERNITY WARD TOILETS
FOREIGNERS WILL NOT BE EXCLUDED FROM THESE PENALTIES!
so ..yeah
1ST OFFENCE = $50
2ND OFFENCE = $100 & CWO CLEAN MRT TOILET
3RD OFFENCE = $500 + CWO CLEAN MRT TOILET / COMMUNITY SERVICE HELPING OLF FOLKS HOME / KK MATERNITY WARD TOILETS
FOREIGNERS WILL NOT BE EXCLUDED FROM THESE PENALTIES!
so ..yeah
vx02
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somehow i dont think we should be blaming the govt / officials. instead, we should be blaming those idiots who blatantly flout the rules by irresponsibly messing up and not giving a shit thereafter. like seriously its those people who eat entire meals on trains and buses that deserve these fines and we are bearing the brunt of it.
turbochicken
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[QUOTE=Cheez;
apparently only you, fgl and i are on the same page. most pple don't see the big picture.
apparently only you, fgl and i are on the same page. most pple don't see the big picture.
i think it's a better idea to give passengers 2 or 3 warnings before banning them from taking mrt and buses for a certain amount of time..
....than issuing fines. there are just too many loopholes and chances for things to go wrong.
i know thirty bucks isn't too much but it's still money. if i'm not wrong, SMRT isn't directly owned by the government. i don't see why they should have the authority to go around imposing fines on their customers for offenses other than damage to property resulting in costs for repair, or hurting people resulting in medical costs.
it's just like a jamming studio making you pay a 20 bucks fine for playing too loud. or a gym imposing a 30 dollars fine on you for not wearing a shirt.
yes, eating on trains will definitely result in costs incurred for cleaning up and taking care of the pests but did the person cause damage to property that required repair? did the person cause any harm to anyone that resulted in medical costs? no. certainly doesn't justify a 30 dollar fine. i just hope SMRT isn't using this money to pay their own workers or that the executives at the top aren't eating the money away.
....than issuing fines. there are just too many loopholes and chances for things to go wrong.
i know thirty bucks isn't too much but it's still money. if i'm not wrong, SMRT isn't directly owned by the government. i don't see why they should have the authority to go around imposing fines on their customers for offenses other than damage to property resulting in costs for repair, or hurting people resulting in medical costs.
it's just like a jamming studio making you pay a 20 bucks fine for playing too loud. or a gym imposing a 30 dollars fine on you for not wearing a shirt.
yes, eating on trains will definitely result in costs incurred for cleaning up and taking care of the pests but did the person cause damage to property that required repair? did the person cause any harm to anyone that resulted in medical costs? no. certainly doesn't justify a 30 dollar fine. i just hope SMRT isn't using this money to pay their own workers or that the executives at the top aren't eating the money away.
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visa
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Small picture: Getting fined for something trivial sucks. Singapore is such a terrible place! Oh, the cruelty, injustice, the humanity! I want to be able to suck sweets without being fined! Vote for SDP!
Medium picture: Sometimes individuals might have to suffer for the greater common good. Singaporeans only know how to complain, but don't quite realise that if these rules and regulations were taken away, things would probably degenerate very fast and there would be litter and mess everywhere- and THEN they would ask, why don't we have rules and regulations to keep things in order? Tsk tsk. Why can't they think about the consequences? Kids these days.
The REAL big picture: Most of us would like to live in a community where everyone looks out for one another so that there is no need for stifling rules and regulations, but most of us have been brought up only to look out for ourselves. Few Singaporeans think about flushing the toilet or clearing their tray at McDonalds, because the toilet is unflushed and the trays are not cleared when they get there. There is a "why should I care if nobody else does?" mentality. It's a menacing cycle perpetuated by the collective decision-making of society and the government. The ridiculous fines and laws are symptomatic of a greater social and cultural problem in our country.
visa
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What I'm trying to say is that if we could all be more gracious, look out for each other, stop littering, queue up properly for buses, stand behind the yellow line, clear our trays at fast food joints, stand to the left on the escalators, aim properly and flush the toilet, cover our mouths when we cough, ash and dispose our cigarette butts properly, etc-
then, we would progress as a society that takes care and looks out for itself, and we can all breathe a little easier. Most of the ridiculous rules in place would become redundant. Rules and regulations exist because Big Brother believes that we can't take care of ourselves, and there is plenty of evidence to support his view.
PS: If you are guilty of inconveniencing other people, and regularly put yourself ahead at the expense of others, you have no right to complain about the $30 fine. It's people like you that have made our country the police state that it is today.
then, we would progress as a society that takes care and looks out for itself, and we can all breathe a little easier. Most of the ridiculous rules in place would become redundant. Rules and regulations exist because Big Brother believes that we can't take care of ourselves, and there is plenty of evidence to support his view.
PS: If you are guilty of inconveniencing other people, and regularly put yourself ahead at the expense of others, you have no right to complain about the $30 fine. It's people like you that have made our country the police state that it is today.