What do you mean by 'sellouts'?

[emochick]

ehhh my previous post disappeared.

 

[dearxarson]

saying tat slayer sold out is like...


...saying slayer played an acoustic set.

haha

slayer rulz.

 

[MadWerewolfBoy]

..If u are happy becoming 'sellout'.. ..There is nothng to lose..

Then it wouldn't be really considered selling-out already would it?

 

[steveVAI]

sell out, all sold out lor, green day lor, my chemical romance lor, backstreet boys lor,...

 

[kerplunk182]

sellouts=the after effect of signing to a major record label and making it to mtv. The result, make billions of dollars, hit the radio charts, do 1001 interviews a year, expand fan base to teenagers that would do almost anything to catch the band live. And the list goes on.
Make it on to mtv, play what the people watching mtv want, change the music you play.

 

[Hydrofly]

Metallica sold out, what the hell happened to the amazing brilliance of albums like ride the lightning and master of puppets?

 

[Dime]

metallica was sellouts because they change their music direction.like A7X.well i dont like them anymore.partially because tonnes of scene kids are listening to them and their material sucks.if you are into metal check out august burns red,earlier stuff from still remains and not into heavy stuff then chek out the showdown.i am confident the aforementioned bands are not sellouts.

 

[cliffburton]

i think all bands that appear on mtv are sellout, simple?

 

[josucker]

what i think is that sticking true to your genre is important, but one should not be so stubborn not to be a sell out that a band does not make any money by not trying to get exposure. this can be seen when shagrath from dimmu borgir said that they went onto television just to reach out to a wider audience and spread their messages to the masses. there you go, spreading messages on the tv, i dont think its selling out, it looks more like propaganda, i think

 

[ah_pey]

sellouts are:

like for "punks" are they claimin that they are from the underground scene and then claimin their success... just ridin the wave to get more fans more money and everything else.

examples are like blink182, green day

like NOFX, lagwagon and all they came around the same time but you dont see their album release on national tv or even videoclips in MTV and all.

Avenged Sevenfold and MCR starts as a so called underground band,(you can see their old shitty quality videos on youtube) but soon they succumbed to the glory of MTV.... TTheir rise happened around sometime last year.

Also sellin out does not mean you succumb to money, its also changin your style of music into something the masses wants. Alot of bands did it but yeah they blame it on the word "progression" though...

(wooh after a long time of not sendin a post, and SLAYER DID NOT SELL OUT)

 

[han2u]

Well the Stones never sold out and they've got hits and tons of money. Look at that last damn concert they did in Brazil. These days Jagger and company are more like worn out...

 

[Initiate]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selling_out

yeah this pretty much covers most of what you need to know about selling out.

some people just need to learn to let go, sure your favourite band sold out, no amount of decrying and denoucing the band's latest album is sure going to make drastic changes.

i take a quote from the website,

The phrase is frequently heard in the musical community, where it is used to imply that an artist has compromised their artistic integrity in order to gain radio airplay or obtain a recording contract, especially with a major label. Often, the label will force a particular record producer on the performer, insist on the inclusion of songs by commercial songwriters, or the label may even refuse to release an album, deeming it uncommercial.

yeah, so the band has pretty much little say or control over what they want to do. unless they're really doing it for the music and fans, they probably they'll go burn their contracts and start their own indie label or something.

but commercialism = profit

so if you want $$$ you need to listen to what the studio executives want.

Criticism of the term

An artist may also be accused of selling out after changes in artistic direction. This conclusion is often due to the perception that the reason that artist changed artistic style or direction was simply due to potential material gain. This ignores other causes of natural artistic development, which may lead an artist in new directions from those that attracted their original fans. Artists' improvements in musical skill or taste may also account for the change.

Other times, artists resent the term on the grounds that the perceived desire for material gain is simply a result of the band seeking to expand its message. For example, when questioned about signing to a major label, Rage Against the Machine answered "We're not interested in preaching to just the converted. It's great to play abandoned squats run by anarchists, but it's also great to be able to reach people with a revolutionary message, people from Granada Hills to Stuttgart."

Other bands (including those without politically-oriented messages) may also reject the term on the basis that not going mainstream or signing to a bigger label to prevent "selling out" limits a band's choice to address desire from wider audiences (regardless of whether there is any real artistic change) or arbitrarily hampers the artists' natural course of mainstream success with the assumption that mainstream success is necessarily opposite the artist's intentions. When confronted with the accusation of selling out in 2001, Mike Dirnt of Green Day claimed,

"If there's a formula to selling out, I think every band in the world would be doing it," he said. "The fact that you write good songs and you sell too many of them, if everybody in the world knew how to do that they'd do it. It's not something we chose to do.

"The fact was we got to a point that we were so big that tons of people were showing up at punk-rock clubs, and some clubs were even getting shut down because too many were showing up. We had to make a decision: either break up or remove ourselves from that element. And I'll be damned if I was going to flip lovelovelovelovelovelovelove burgers. I do what I do best. Selling out is compromising your musical intention and I don't even know how to do that."

yeah some fanboys or even fangirls just need to stop being anal retentive and let go.

 

[faizal_rocks]

Sellout occurs when a gig is announced a few days prior n all tickets are snapped up in a few hours n is sold out..;P

This quote is from The Clash DVD tat I seen a few years back

 

[Hydrofly]

i think all bands that appear on mtv are sellout, simple?

NO! Megadeth are not sellouts, dave mustaine's still got it in him!

 

[Dime]

emo kids help to create sellouts too don't forget that factor.scene kids.*sigh*

 

[billthegeek]

Becoming popular and making more money is NOT selling out!

Bands like Megadeth and Mastadon are popular and rich now, but they stayed loyal to their own believes, instead of following latest trends.

It IS only when the band changes its musical direction to suit market trends, instead of making the kind of music the band truly enjoys. One example is Metallica...

 

[visa]

cliff would have never allowed lars to sell metallica out. =(

 

[gutturalpiss]

this again?! where's the other older thread from 2 or 3 years ago? that should be stickied.

 

[AzNjT]

a SELLOUT is a person who does Something They LOVE or it could be Just BEING themselves.

but when a company or something buys or Owns them, and they start to change their material because the company or whatever wants them to market their Ideas.

Thats when you Get a sellout.

 

[steveVAI]

well said money rules the world