Trading Licks

[popeye]

Blues = All about bending

Jazz = All about playing with the chord and key change, and application of arpeggios

where did you get those description, son? :roll:

 

[clayedhead]

i'm a little addicted to playing e blue notes in a pentatonic scale while soloing. e notes really give a whole different feel to e lick.

 

[Guest]

yeap..it adds variety and colour to the pentatonic scale..a note makes alot of difference..

 

[ShredCow]

Adding the blues note to the pentatonic scale just makes it a blues scale....

There are other ways to explore, think rhythm, think phrasing.

 

[clayedhead]

yeah . im working on motive development. but on a solo motive, not a rhythm motive.

 

[ShredCow]

No, rhythm as in the way you play the notes.

Swing rhythms, triplets, pauses/rests, etc etc. The whole works.

 

[clayedhead]

haha yeah i get it. slash's solos are very melodic.

 

[ShredCow]

Shawn Lane's solos are too.

Allan Holdsworth too.

They play extremely fast, but buried inside all those notes, a world of melodies and ideas, very cool.

 

[tany]

try use double, triple stops. i think they add some color and tone.

 

[clayedhead]

i see. vinnie moore too.

 

[guitarman78]

Blues = All about bending

Jazz = All about playing with the chord and key change, and application of arpeggios


So, in comparision to expressiveness and feel, they are both in different leagues even though these two genres can be used together at times.

I'm sorry ... but i beg to differ .... there's no "All about" in any music ... it's how you feel that determines what you play ... tell me you know all about Jazz and Blues before you use the word "all about".

 

[Taylorboy87]

alright. let me phrase it properly. blues is mostly about bending and jazz is mostly using arpeggios.

 

[ShredCow]

Is there a "mostly" in jazz? I thought its all about freedom of expression?

 

[guitarman78]

Son ... you need to listen more ....

If anyone were to ask me to define Jazz or blues ... I will just say it's beyond definition. How can anyone define a feeling except to just feel it? Arpeggios, scales and bending are just tools .... it doesnt define anything .... Feel the blues .. and you know what i mean.

 

[Taylorboy87]

Yes. I know its all about expression. But tools wise, i'm just stating briefly that arpeggios are mostly used when playing jazz.

 

[guitarman78]

Yes. I know its all about expression. But tools wise, i'm just stating briefly that arpeggios are mostly used when playing jazz.

I have really no idea how you came out with that kind of conclusion ...

 

[Ized]

subjective la mate. everyone has their opinion u can only at best attempt to reform. 8)

 

[ShredCow]

hmmm... but whether that opinion is right?

Everyone can have an opinion, have all you want... 1 + 1 = 3, fine, your opinion, but its wrong.

 

[Crawldaddy]

Hmm.

For me.. trading licks pretty much require a solid rhythm background (or maybe just a single rhythm pattern which is unobtrusive, but provides the timing and rhythm).

The main idea of lick trading for me is how you can make a piece of music have two individual characters but at the same time still retaining that spark of spontaniety such that the audience (if any) is kept on their toes.

Some people see trading licks as showing off, but as always with alot of people, whether they deny it or not.. everyone wants to show off. What better opportunity when you can trade licks?

Give me a solid beat and a groovy bassline. I'll trade licks with you anytime!

 

[Ized]

hmmm... but whether that opinion is right?

Everyone can have an opinion, have all you want... 1 + 1 = 3, fine, your opinion, but its wrong.

Probably not to that extreme extent la mate. but then its true that appegios are used in jazz, although using "mostly" is very subjective. Different jazz players have their approaches. I've noticed in general(not implying that what im saying is universal truth)older jazz players(like John Mclaughin) tend to phase their notes more to arppegiated lines while newer fusion/jazz players (aka Mark Whitfield, Alan Holdsworth) tend to show more technique and melodic phasing.

Just my opinion.