The Ernie Ball Music Man Thread

Yeah, but then according to EBMM sales, JP is one of their best selling guitars...

I know... But what I find funny is that it sells so well, yet got so many up for resale... It's almost as if the guitar is sold on hype, then after a while, people realise it's not for them, and they let it go... Dunno man... just making an observation here.
 
Their notion of the higher price is always " But you get to try out the guitar first hand, get a feel of it etc etc etc.... " Load of bull I say.. when the difference in price is 30-50%... it may even be more.

That's even more preposterous... What is a dealer's job for the brand if not to offer ACCURATE representation of what the brand has to offer? Price should have nothing to do with it. The minute you throw $$$ concepts into building a brand image the effort gets diluted.
 
wow...there is a lot of intense discussion in the last 4-5 pages. really wish i could join/understand u guys. Sadly, my knowledge on EBMM guitars is way too shallow now. Anyway, in 4 - 6 months time perhaps i could understand u guys better. I got a Lava Pearl JP6 on order now. Thanks to a good buddy of mine, I'm hooked to EBMM specifically JP6. Although his is a BFR. So...can't hardly wait...
 
wow...there is a lot of intense discussion in the last 4-5 pages. really wish i could join/understand u guys. Sadly, my knowledge on EBMM guitars is way too shallow now. Anyway, in 4 - 6 months time perhaps i could understand u guys better. I got a Lava Pearl JP6 on order now. Thanks to a good buddy of mine, I'm hooked to EBMM specifically JP6. Although his is a BFR. So...can't hardly wait...

u're trying to be humble eh? *grinning devil*
who's the dear friend of yours? someone i know?
 
I dunno about the accounting standards man... That's for my finance dept to go wonder about. :mrgreen:

20% GP is low. By ANY standards, and is usually accepted for FMCG. For items like guitars, I really doubt the GP is 20%. Especially when the US MRSP is already 30% lower than our local RSP pricing. I believe the markup is already a fair bit as it stands. At that rate of sales, if Sinamex only operates at 20% GP, they would have gone out of business long ago.

Also, cost of sales isn't attributed to that one guitar sale alone. It's shared amongst all the other equipment. If you have a GP that low, the key method of survival is distribution. And that's what Swee Lee and Davis does. Those are the 2 leading retailers in terms of annual revenue. I some how don't think Sinamex is in the same category of numbers, but I don't know.

Technically speaking, the product should already have a healthy margin from the factory cost to the MRSP. That alone would have a buffer. Then when you do the currency conversion from USD to SGD, there's another currency buffer there. So 2 stages of margins to work with. With a further mark up, which is what I suspect they're already doing, then it's no longer good for the customer.

This is why I'd rather pay for an air ticket to somewhere else, have a holiday, and buy another guitar! And if a place like Japan, where the operation costs are sky high, is still cheaper than Singapore, then what does that tell you about the local dealer???:mrgreen:
Point taken about the profit margins :)
I just sincerely hope that they manage to work something out for us loyal customers...

On the foreign exchange issue, I believe that either Sinamex of EBMM has locked themselves in a forward contract to receive a fixed exchange rate, that's why no matter how cheap the USD is getting, the SGD retail price never budges! Argh...
But as long as the retail price here doesn't exceed the MRSP over at the states, I'm all for it... I really don't mind... I know that in the states it's around 30% off the MRSP, I got my BFR for laround 10% off the MRSP... Not bad actually... Bentley once quoted my USD5k for a fully loaded JP6... Some serious wtf-ness there...

Operating costs in Japan is sky high, but remember they have the lowest interest rate in the world, it would save many companies alot of finance expenditure... And I believe their tax structure is very much different from Singapore's... Coupled that they have excellent spending power, they are able to price their stuff accordingly too...
I know... But what I find funny is that it sells so well, yet got so many up for resale... It's almost as if the guitar is sold on hype, then after a while, people realise it's not for them, and they let it go... Dunno man... just making an observation here.

Yeah, I noticed that too... The JP isn't for everyone... I've seen one guy that bought three BFR JPs at one shot, and selling them off after recording with them... Reason being it's just not for him, and went back to Ibanez...

As much praise I have for the JP, and have read many on the many forums... There's hardly anything negative about it... It's just the matter of preference: some ppl just can't bond with it...
wow...there is a lot of intense discussion in the last 4-5 pages. really wish i could join/understand u guys. Sadly, my knowledge on EBMM guitars is way too shallow now. Anyway, in 4 - 6 months time perhaps i could understand u guys better. I got a Lava Pearl JP6 on order now. Thanks to a good buddy of mine, I'm hooked to EBMM specifically JP6. Although his is a BFR. So...can't hardly wait...

Hi! Great to see you here! Hop you can join in the discussion too!
After all, this is a forum!

What if one day John Petrucci leaves EBMM?
then he wud defend the next axe JP chooses. LOL...
Seriously, I doubt I'll follow JP to another company... Hard to imagine any other brand that can offer the same amount of quality at this price...
Anyway, just talked to Steven from The Guitar Store in Damansara, tried to poison him with my BFR... lol...
 
Hard to imagine any other brand that can offer the same amount of quality at this price...

Bro, I am quite surprised that you say this. You sound as if you got a steal.. Haha.. Hey you paid a lot for your BFR right?

I dont think anyone here gets a EBMM cheaper than me (I dont add margin for myself), but I must say EBMM are not cheap - it just that you get the things you deserve for the price you pay. Its a good brand, selling reasonably-priced instruments. There are definitely other worthy competitors out there.
 
Point taken about the profit margins :)
I just sincerely hope that they manage to work something out for us loyal customers...

I hope so man... At least some GOOD discounts lah...:mrgreen:

On the foreign exchange issue, I believe that either Sinamex of EBMM has locked themselves in a forward contract to receive a fixed exchange rate, that's why no matter how cheap the USD is getting, the SGD retail price never budges! Argh...

Not necessarily so. I don't pretend to know how the deal works, or even if there's a contract (you'd be surprised how poorly protected some partnerships are between companies), but I think the exchange rate usually (in my cases) aren't fixed. They sell in their native currency to you, leaving YOU to bear the exchange rates and the transfer fees yourself. For them, the cost is usually a matter of how many % off US retail price, and then they (EBMM) can change the prices within 3 months of notice. And they leave Sinamex with a list of recoomended RSPs in USD as a guide. For larger businesses, you monitor this CLOSELY to remain competitive. But in our local context for Sinamex, to constantly change prices in a slow-moving market, is a waste of time. Better to slap a healthy mark up, and protect yourself against those changes. Why yould EBMM be concerned with how much we suffer or gain from currency changes? As long as they cover their bottom line, they don't have to bother about the rest.[/quote]

But as long as the retail price here doesn't exceed the MRSP over at the states, I'm all for it... I really don't mind... I know that in the states it's around 30% off the MRSP, I got my BFR for laround 10% off the MRSP... Not bad actually... Bentley once quoted my USD5k for a fully loaded JP6... Some serious wtf-ness there...

But Rossie, the prices here ARE higher than US street prices and even RSPs. A fully loaded JP6 MD here costs what? $4,800? In US RSPs, it's supposed to be mainly just above $3kUSD (street price is just above $2kUSD). Thats $4.1kSGD. I bought mine in Japan for $3,500. That's a good $1,300 cheaper than SG prices!!! And the local price is easily $700 higher than US RSP!!!!

Operating costs in Japan is sky high, but remember they have the lowest interest rate in the world, it would save many companies alot of finance expenditure... And I believe their tax structure is very much different from Singapore's... Coupled that they have excellent spending power, they are able to price their stuff accordingly too...

I really doubt the tax structure and interest rates in Japan have anything to do with why EBMMs are so expensive in Singapore. Especially when we have only GST to pay for importing guitars. Again, company tax cannot be levied on one guitar alone, and will also not be very much for a Pte Ltd company.

As much as I dislike their attitudes, I must say, I admire the way Davies Guitar fights their competition. Their prices are actually quite competitive, especially if they want to fight competition.
 
I dont think anyone here gets a EBMM cheaper than me (I dont add margin for myself)

I got my latest 20th AND the AL much cheaper than some of your prices...:twisted:

Ok ok... I know... not fair comparison... I was just trying to be cheeky...:mrgreen:
 
Davis prices their stuff very fairly, just look at SDs they carry. Very close to US street prices. And I appreciate them for it.

Sinamex Singapore is very difficult to get a discount off them, the Malaysian store however is willing to give a discount.

Even for myself, when I have projects that require audio interfaces / keyboards and such, sinamex does not offer dealer prices to us. They just give it to us at retail. So much for being a 'distributor'... considering you receive an official PO from a genuine reseller require products you distribute. Unless really necessary, I usually won't go to them for items I need in a BOM. Not to mention no delivery even when we last purchased 6 keyboards from them.

I'm not saying that they are bad, but I just wish they'd provide better support for everyone. *Ends rant*
 
I got my latest 20th AND the AL much cheaper than some of your prices...:twisted:

Ok ok... I know... not fair comparison... I was just trying to be cheeky...:mrgreen:

Haha bro, you right - its not fair. We are talkin bout new price here..Just to correct myself -when I say I can get the cheapest price, I meant direct US street price + shipping/gst/bank fee, thats it. No margin, no other service fee. Of cos, thats for myself only.

Btw the 20th & AL set you back bout $1.55K AND $1.25K USD respectively isit?
 
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Haha bro, you right - its not fair. We are talkin bout new price here..Just to correct myself -when I say I can get the cheapest price, I meant direct US street price + shipping/gst/bank fee, thats it. No margin, no other service fee. Of cos, thats for myself only.

Btw the 20th & AL set you back bout $1.55K AND $1.25K USD respectively isit?

Something like that... :P Actually, it was a bit lower, cos Norrin actually absorbed the extra shipping charges for the AL when I told him I wanted both. Honestly, that price for a 20th is just madness... That's MUCH cheaper than what I paid for the other 2!!! And this one is mint!

The AL, ok... has a ding. But can be touched up... Not a big problem... I might sell that one back to the surfer in the future if he wants it back. That was his favourite... I've already told him he can buy it back anytime if I still have it. But the 20th stays with me...:mrgreen:
 
Many. You want rosewood or maple? I can tell you the colours available. Do you want a candy apple red Spec with rosewood?

I would like a maple, but practicality rears it's ugly head... RW please... Got Teal Pearl? with natural headstock?
 
This is what I can get now, from all my vendors, Silo Specs, all rosewood:

1. Black, HSS, Matching Stock, White Pearl guard, Hardtail.

2. Pearl Blue, HSS, Non-matching Stock, White guard, Hardtail.

3. Candy Red, HSS, Non-matching Stock, Black Ice guard, Vintage Trem.

4. Pearl Blue, SSS, Non-matching Stock, White guard, Vintage Trem.

5. White, SSS, Non-matching Stock, White guard, Vintage Trem.

Maple here:

6. Pearl Purple, SSS, Non-matching Stock, White Pearl guard, Vintage Trem (New, board slightly dirty)

7. Metal Flake Green, SSS, Matching Stock, White Pearl guard, Vintage Trem (New, board condition - unknown)
 
& here come the Silos:

1. Egyptian Smoke, HSH, Rosewood, Matching Stock, Python guard, Vintage Trem.

2. Pearl Blue, HSH, Maple, Non-matching Stock, White guard, Vintage Trem.

3. Black, HSH, Rosewood, Matching Stock, Black Ice guard, Vintage Trem.

Bro you better copy this list. I'm not gonna relist these stocks. Tiring. Btw, all ONE-PIECE only.
 
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