'Reserved seats' in the mrt

[MadWerewolfBoy]

Look at how the concerns of the TS are digressed by you guys, and the redundant video of that retard making a fool of himself, is there really a need for that?

Eh, i was just waiting for a post such as yours! There's my point.

some people think he's a fool, some people don't. In the same way, some people think that "reserved seats" is a good idea, and some people don't.

You guys can discuss the topic till page 1001, what's the outcome? More softies will make an effort to give up their seats to the elderly / preggies?

This is like one of the many pointless GP essays I did back in JC. "Reserved seats in MRTs, good or bad? Discuss"

What does this mean? check my sig, the wise words of shinobi

Or is it? lol :twisted: We post our opinions for the rest to read, what does it really do? Actually, we just want to voice our opinions. If u think the Bangladeshi's weird, i think the seated people who don't give up their seat when old folks are in front of them's even weirder.

 

[JaarVis.]

Got reserve seats , complain .
No reserve seats , complain .

Whats new . It's Singa-screwed-up-pore .

 

[MaCcA]

ironically, this is what democracy, which so many people here have been seeking, is about.

democracy, complain.
no democracy, also complain.

 

[MadWerewolfBoy]

naww.. cannot like that say.. we just like to voice our opinions and all of us Singaporeans happen to have a lil rebel in us.. =D

Got reserve seats , we voice our opinion
No reserve seats , we also voice our opinion

Blame the mother loving son who invented GP. We know we have to disagree to some extent to score more points and earn some cookies.

Doncha know it's cool to rebel? it's a trend with the younger peeps, and all of us wanna feel young.. yeah \m/

Like a certain Sebastian once said:
"The seaweed is always greener in somebody's else's lake"

 

[LadyInTears]

@Madwerewolfboy

<3 <3 <3

GP is fun!

 

[wyldeboon]

The Aussies have signs that say "Children paying the 50 cent fare should give up their seats to adults" and majority of the Japanese are just courteous by nature.

i saw 1 in melbourne i went last yr says "give up ur seat to the elderly or face 500 fine"



btw.. y we need the sogns,reminder in trains... coz there are sporeans,foreigners nt being nice enuf.
tis is just freaking basic courtesy. which i see alot of ppl do nt have. kiasu ppl,n i dare say there are alot of stupid ppl ard

 

[kym]

why do we feel guilty sitting on reserved seats if there is really nobody who needs it more than you do?

i observe the same thing on the road as well. Even in a moderate traffic congestion, very very few cars will take the bus lane even if it is non peak period or during public holidays or weekends.

even though these 2 scenarios do not really relate to one another, but we can draw conclusions from these 2 that singaporeans are actually quite obedient, law-abiding people. it may not be genuine act of kindness that you give up your seats, it may be because of the feeling of feeling "guilty" or being branded as ugly singaporeans, etc etc. Whatever the reasons, hopefully the little children or the younger ones among us will see and emulate the "kindness" displayed by the adults, so that future generations of singaporeans will probably give up those seats out of kindness and not because it is "reserved".

 

[for420]

I knew this thread confirm got one.


My point of view is that I've seen much improvement by passengers on giving up the seats to the needy. Only that tiny bit that don't really care.

Yes, the idea of placing the RESERVED SEAT on the seats really works like a charm. I've seen most passengers try to avoid the seat, which I feel greatful for them being genuinely not wanting to seat on that particular seat or just don't wanna seat cos later sure kena give up the seat to needy kind of thinking. In general, that's just basic courtesy and shows that you care for that situation. Or you want to avoid being paiseh if you fall asleep on that seat and people take your pics and post on forums.

On the other hand, it seems like some of us feels that the RESERVED SEATS are like some kind of a reminder that makes us a little "frustrated/that i-know-no-need-to-remind-me-like-a-schboy kinda attitude/a lil offended etc etc". I understand this but it's just a small reminder for those people who are most likely not to give up their seats and besides that, we should not fret about this matter cos lucky enough there's no FINE for not giving
up the seats. I'm sure it could have gone worst if LTA implement this. Right?

So what can you do about this? Not much what or should I rather say, NOTHING. Cos this is really another minor issue and most of us are actually cool with it.

Be thankful enough lah got no fine.


ps: i dont mean to offend any of you but just a point of view.

 

[funktastic]

Or is it? lol :twisted: We post our opinions for the rest to read, what does it really do? Actually, we just want to voice our opinions. If u think the Bangladeshi's weird, i think the seated people who don't give up their seat when old folks are in front of them's even weirder.

i dont mean to sound like a jerk, but you know why we have freedom of speech?
so that we are able to voice our opinions, allowing others to see things in a different perception. at the same time hear their opinions so we can have a different perception as well.
wonder why US is the strongest country? hail freedom of speech, not its military prowess.

and to those who think i'm complainin about the seats. i'm not -.-
i just feel that the putting up of the 'reserved seat' is kinda degrading to society. its just how i view this matter.
i understand its benefits. obviously there has to be benefits or else why would the government do it. but at what expense? if this trend is gonna continue, putting up restrictions everywhere.
sooner or later, we're gonna be boxed in. we have limited choices and everything will be controlled by the government.
i don't want my society to be like that. what about you guys?

'Whatever the reasons, hopefully the little children or the younger ones among us will see and emulate the "kindness" displayed by the adults, so that future generations of singaporeans will probably give up those seats out of kindness and not because it is "reserved". '
this seems quite logical imo, maybe the government knows that we aren't teaching our children well and have to enforce such rules in hope that they can show some kindness which they thought their parents might actually have...

 

[MadWerewolfBoy]

wonder why US is the strongest country? hail freedom of speech, not its military prowess.

This is where people get delusional about a vague impression of the coveted term, "freedom of speech". This "freedom of speech" that you're referring to is not the holy grail to obtaining "strength" / "power" mentioned. It is merely a condition, stripped down, it means an absence of restriction of what one gets to say.

If, by participating in "intellectual" discussions on a music forum, we think we're empowered by "freedom of speech" then, I'm afraid we're a lot of catching up to do if we bring "US", the oh-so-great-in-power-because-of-freedom-of-speech, into the picture. I'll shan't discuss about why some people choose to advocate what they do not fully comprehend because it will not be fully appreciated here.

I am not saying you are wrong about sharing opinions, neither do I know why you brought up the topic of freedom of speech. Maybe you misread the meaning of my posts? My point exactly is that, yes, we have freedom of speech that is why we can voice our opinions here, as and when, as and how. Also, my point is, with this freedom of speech, what do all of us stand to gain from this discussion? (Just like in social studies lesson, I still remember vaguely) What is the purpose of the discussion? If it's just to hear the opinion of others, then no biggie, since chatting and ranting is what makes forums fun anyway. In other words, it's as useless as the GP essays we wrote for A levels, instead of wasting ink and paper we waste electricity and bandwidth.

Since it's like that, "why so serious?" :twisted: Take it easy because i can assure you, you won't remember what you've posted here in 3 to 6 months time. Just admit it, if we're discussing this here, we're just forumers who're too free for more important stuff in life. You and me included ^_^ xoxoxoxo

i just feel that the putting up of the 'reserved seat' is kinda degrading to society.

No doubt, but isn't it because society allows it to be such? If all of us were angels this funky idea would not have been thought up in the first place. The original "Please give up seats to those who need it more" stickers didn't work, so SMRT / SBS decided to slap a harsher sticker that says "Researved for elderly / preggies / disabled". In actual fact, it was merely a sticker change. But it may very well be working better than the previous one.

but at what expense? if this trend is gonna continue, putting up restrictions everywhere.
sooner or later, we're gonna be boxed in. we have limited choices and everything will be controlled by the government.
i don't want my society to be like that. what about you guys?

I think sooner is more appropriate here than later. From yellow boxes for smokers to ERP gantries. To date, the government has implemented many systems which affect they way we live. Some are good, others weren't so. But think about it, we can't be that bad when we compare ourselves to other countries. If we were, then Singapore won't survive till this day. Drawing examples of Australia / Japan by previous posters, I think we're still good. So, saying that "putting up of the 'reserved seat' is kinda degrading to society." can't be as bad as Australia putting up fines for people who don't do it.

 

[DeathCubeK]

1) Comparing Singapore to US is pointless, we will never reach their level in a 100 years, because we have many limitations as a country and as a people. We do have certain advantages over them, say, security ... and uhm ... yeah.

2) Anyone ever not give up their seat because they were afraid to offend someone? Like I once saw this guy give up his seat to a lady, who didn't really look THAT old, but she was like looking around with this "hmm wonder why he's giving the seat to me, i'm as young as you kids" look.

 

[harmonyriver]

This is an interesting discussion!
Can see the original poster's point of view - it is akin to how embarassing those "flush the toilet or face fine of $50" signs in toilets and "no spitting" signs everywhere in Singapore. In an ideal world, all Singaporeans will do what is gracious, but in reality, there are many friggin' kiasu, selfish, "what's in it for me?" people in the world, not just in Singapore. We are always harping on about the virtues of 'Asian values' but the sad fact is that these values are limited to only friends and family circles, not to the general public. That's why we need all these fines and signs to state the obvious.

My wife was late pregnant when we decided to take the MRT to town instead of taking a taxi - there were no empty reserved seats the few times we took the MRT line that day (probably no SOFTies on board, that's why). Every seat was occupied by some selfish young teenager who was either sleeping/listening to Walkman or awake and blatantly staring at my pregnant wife but not giving up the seat. Everytime I wanted to say something, my wife would stop me as she didn't want to be embarassed/attract attention, and also did not want a seat from someone who didn't want to give it up anyway. Needless to say, we took taxis from then on... Now if only cars weren't that expensive....

 

[funktastic]

I am not saying you are wrong about sharing opinions, neither do I know why you brought up the topic of freedom of speech. Maybe you misread the meaning of my posts? Also, my point is, with this freedom of speech, what do all of us stand to gain from this discussion? (Just like in social studies lesson, I still remember vaguely) What is the purpose of the discussion? If it's just to hear the opinion of others, then no biggie, since chatting and ranting is what makes forums fun anyway. In other words, it's as useless as the GP essays we wrote for A levels, instead of wasting ink and paper we waste electricity and bandwidth.

my purpose of this discussion like any other is to hear the opinions from others and try at least, to see things from a different perception.
i for one, strongly feel that this is degrading to our society. well, others might not and some might even think of people singing in the train. i wanna try to see things from their perception or others and broaden my perspective.

i don't wanna live my life seeing things from only one point of view and lead a myopic life.

and i brought up freedom of speech to illustrate the power of sharing opinions. by no means am i comparing myself to us trying to be like america or what, just illustrating how useful sharing opinions are.

In actual fact, it was merely a sticker change.

i share a different view on this, its not merely a sticker change. it reflects the governments attitude towards its citizens. shows that they think we aren't people who are compassionate enough to give up seats or smoking without causing health problems to others or driving in different lanes so buses can move faster.

i don't want it to come to a point in time where there's literally restrictions on the place we sit. from yellow boxes for bus lanes, to smoking. we're gonna see yellow seats. and if this is gonna continue, its gonna be a damn f'ed up society for me. who knows, toilets will have yellow seats and everything is gonna have some restrictions. though i agree it helps society to a certain extent, the individuals are paying a price.

if individuals were educated sufficiently to understand the impacts of their actions. there wouldn't have been so many yellow boxes. people complain about the yellow smoking boxes right? if only they were capable enough to understand that its their own actions that caused such an enforcement.

and if you say that we aren't as bad as other countries. don't you see that we are shifting to become more like them? which in essence to me is not favorable. what if the government chooses to enforce a law that we can't talk in the mrt? i don't wanna loose the freedom or choice to talk in the mrt.
if people were compassionate and respectful enough. surely they would know not to talk at the top of their voices, then there wouldn't be a need to restrict us. if so much is being restricted in japan, i might not wanna live there after deeper considerations.

just my view guys, and MadWerewolfBoy's post really enlightened me in some sense. +1

 

[ymmak]

It feels kind of silly that Singaporeans need to be reminded of such seemingly trivial things like "give up your seat to those who need it more than you" or "do not litter". But hey, they works, don't they?

Through someother people's blog like kennysia etc, I have seen even sillier things like "do not spit in public" or "refrain from wearing pyjamus on the streets" in China.

 

[fgl]

nine times outa ten I see young strapling able bodied men & women sittting n these reserved seats and pretend to sleep when there are elderly, infirm or pregnant ladies standing smack in front of them. Last week I saw one construction worker who looked foreign sitting and actually staring up at the old lady who stood in front of him ....

These seats can be occupied by all, no rule about not using them - its just that we able bodied ppl have to GIVE UP our seats to the ppl who really need them.

Its a pity that as advanced as our soceity is or makes our selves out to be ... we have to be taught the simple graciousness and courtesies of life.

On a personal note - I myself dont sit in these seats even if they are empty ...

mY TAKE ON THE FINE ISSUE - YES - FINE THE BUGGERS - FOREIGN , LOCAL OR WHAT EVER .... ITS THE ONLY WAY MOST OF US, SINGAPOREANS, FOREIGNERS OR WHAT EVER WILL EVER "LEARN" .....

 

[thisoldman]

imho, nobody is obligated to give up their seats.

When it happens, its out of goodwill. Most of the time I do see seats being given to the elderly who really needs the seat, or to those who are pregnant (obvious enough).

I have friends who are mistaken for being pregnant coz they are on the plump side. It can be embaressing at times.

 

[Vocalistman]

I share with you one story, not sure if it's funny;

There was one time I sat next to the priority seat, the guys beside me was sleeping heavily. So I thought I should gave my seat instead - to this grandpa. But when I stood up and offered my seat he told me "thanks ah boy, but I don't like to sit cos once my knee bent, it'll be hard for me to stand up after that..", this cool guy speaks english btw, and he asked me to sit again.

I was about to sit, this very typical, kiasu aunt from the right f*** snatched my seat..! Wtf!

So I ended up talking (more like entertaining though.. ) to the grandpa.. lol

But he's still one hell of a cool old man..

 

[AEnimic]

Standing isn't all that bad. I do it almost every morning from Tampines to Joo Koon. The only time I crave for a seat is when I am really tired.

 

[hecklerkoch]

Who's interested in a little fun 'public education'?

We find a few people and we all dress up like this -

complete with crutches on one side and go into the MRT train and travel around Singapore for one whole day. One guy can hold a placard, "Thank you for being gracious by giving us a seat! Singaporeans FTW!" but only after people scramble to give up their seats.

I'd love to see how people react with confusion, but I think it'll be a light-hearted campaign meant to educate and hopefully instill values rather than 'force' people.

I am serious.

 

[wyldeboon]

hecklerkoch idea is gd... i volunteer to wrap the person