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shredrat said:
how much does it cost to put all e pedals in your guitar??

Depends. See if your guitar has the routing space already there, what effects you want, what kind of switching, etc. PM me with your needs and i'll quote you.


btw, u used the delay in the vid? i dont recall seeing fab delay on their website...or is that echo?

Yes, the echo.
fab5.jpg


It's a very short slapback echo, but can be modded to be much much much longer. I have no idea why danelectro didn't just build that in instead. It's just a simple switch of pot value.
 
theblueark said:
shredrat said:
how much does it cost to put all e pedals in your guitar??

Depends. See if your guitar has the routing space already there, what effects you want, what kind of switching, etc. PM me with your needs and i'll quote you.


btw, u used the delay in the vid? i dont recall seeing fab delay on their website...or is that echo?

Yes, the echo.
fab5.jpg


It's a very short slapback echo, but can be modded to be much much much longer. I have no idea why danelectro didn't just build that in instead. It's just a simple switch of pot value.

wow coool.
what a waste, they dont have the delay.

if not i can buy it. $30<----good steal.

haha.
 
matt-muser said:
Horrorflicked said:
there's a really experienced staff there at yamaha who tried all the effects and he told me that all the FAB effects work great except the chorus.. he said that the chorus was like there wasnt chorus..
wahahhaa..
long hair guy.. look fer him.. he's good..
the tie hair one?

yessssssssssssssss....
 
theblueark said:
It's a very short slapback echo, but can be modded to be much much much longer. I have no idea why danelectro didn't just build that in instead. It's just a simple switch of pot value.


Is it using that delay chip... that PT-something thing?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong:

Logically they would come together. At least for practical signal delay/echo pedals.

An echo is a repeat of the signal after its creation. A delay literally means a delay - timespan from the creation of the signal to the reproduction of the signal.

It wouldn't make sense to have delay - like you play, then the sound comes one second later.

On the other hand, by definition, the echo has to come delayed.

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I think you're just referring to short and long delay/echo pedals.
 
To keep it short, basically most of whatever you see on the market are delay AND echo. Both have to coexist for (more) meaningful usage. Just assume pedals marked Delay or Echo are referring to Delay AND echo pedals.

The term delay refers to time, while the term echo refers to the signal. Two different things.
 
ouh alright.

cause was thinking of getting the danelectro fab echo...but what i wanted all along is a delay

and wasnt sure abt the difference
 
Sigh. Read my posts again lah. If you still don't get it, I can't help you liao.

The only thing about the Fab Echo is that it has a fixed or short delay - can't remember which.
 
Delay is defined as the splitting of a signal into separate components, the slowing of one of these split signals, and its subsequent re-introduction into the original signal.

Echo is defined as a delay of approximately 35 ms. in which the regenerations are evenly spaced and in which the release portion of the sound envelope is even as well. This is also sometimes referred to as Early Reflections.

Reverb is defined as a delay less that 35 ms. in which the regenerations are randomly dispersed and in which the release portion of the sound envelope is random as well. This is also sometimes referred to as Later Reflections.

abit of history .... children :D

Before the invention of magnetic recording, the first delay was used in radio broadcasting. It was created by sending the audio signal across telephone lines to a city hundreds of miles away and then bringing it back. The time it took for the signal to travel the distance across the phone lines caused the signal to be delayed somewhat in comparison to the source signal.

After magnetic recording had been introduced, Les Paul realized that the space between the record and playback heads of a tape recorder could be used to create a Tape Delay. Later, to increase the delay time, he tied two tape recorders together and, with the advent of variable speed playback decks, he could control the actual delay time by slowing or speeding up the second deck. But Les Paul was faced with a dilemma every time the tape on the second deck ended. The answer came a few years later with a new form of tape delay (new back then) called Echoplexing. This utilized a continuous tape loop which allowed for continuous delay without running out of tape. Echoplexers were used up into the seventies and may still be found in some studios today (usually on a dusty back shelf though).

The mid seventies brought the beginning of the digital age, and with it, the first digital delay lines or DDL's. However, due to the cost of digital technology back then, DDL's generally only had about a 10 - 15 kHz bandwidth. Its primary use was to keep the signal in particularly large venues in sync between the front and back of house speakers.

In the late seventies, Analog Delay became popular because of its reduced price. Many musicians still claim that the analog delays were much fatter and warmer sounding than digital delays, however anyone who has used one knows they are subject to extraneous noise from EMF and other sources.

Echo and Reverb, in pre-digital days (was there really such a time) was created by playing an audio signal in a room with very hard surfaces and recording the reflections. These type of rooms, known as Live Rooms, offered engineers a chance to control the parameters of the reverb simply by changing placement of the microphone capturing the reflections. If you needed more reverb, you simply moved the mic further from the sound source, less reverb was achieved by moving the mic closer to the sound source. Extravagant ways of changing the envelope of the reverb were soon devised, such as hanging sound absorbing mats on some walls, the use of moveable baffles, etc.

Today, engineers for the most part record signals dry (without any effect) trying to get the best quality of signal, and then add these types of effects when making the final mix of a recording. This has led to a definite change in the structure of recording studios. Where once only the very rich could afford rooms that offered high quality reverberation, now anyone with a relatively quiet recording area can manipulate sounds after the fact with high quality digital processing. Digital processing has become so standard in fact that many home stereos offer some type of reverb for mic inputs.
 
HAHAHA thanks alot!

lessons i learnt

1. delay and echo coexist for more meaningful usage
2. echo is like delay, but lesser delay time
 
It's a bit weird defining echo as a short delay of 35ms when in real life you could have longer echoes. But hey, that works too I guess.
 
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