read only if you don't intend to flame (low ballers)
- Thread starter jeremyrozario
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Nowadays no choice, because of the presence of lowballers have to raise the price first Anyway people will try to lower the price. Got to understand the current situation though. Its currently a buyers market as the resale market kinda seems saturated. Seems to have a lot more sellers than buyers. So now i consider very carefully anything that i buy especially if its first hand.
KennethC
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oh crap, I've lowballed you before, my friend! 8O
But I must say we've always come to an amicable deal, considering at one pt in time I had 1/2 my pedalboard full of your ex-pedals. hehe!
As sqoobs said, it does take 2 hands to clap, so as long as both buyer and seller agree, then cool, else be firm and re-state the lowest u wish to go. There'll be several douchebags out there, as with any other issue in life(not just trading), so live and let live.
eh Bryan btw i wanna see the new reincarnation of ur pedalboard. *trying to change the subject*
[/quote]Crawldaddy
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Hmm.
A bad case I guess is when I was not even selling my stuff and some guy thinks I'm trying to sell/trade it off and then offers me a ridiculously low price.
But lowballers are aplenty and the tactics employed to fend them off are aplenty too. Worse case just tell them to sod off.
A bad case I guess is when I was not even selling my stuff and some guy thinks I'm trying to sell/trade it off and then offers me a ridiculously low price.
But lowballers are aplenty and the tactics employed to fend them off are aplenty too. Worse case just tell them to sod off.
hifi_killer
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i think its nothing wrong, its just plain old demand and supply economics. believe the price is the problem, not the buyer. Just look at the buy sell section, look at how many items bumped for so many pages and price still stubbornly fixed, isnt that a sign that their price is too high?
if the price is reasonable low ballers wont succeed, because there will be people who will offer you at the original price.
Note that the 2nd hand market prices are generally set by the buyers, because there are generally more buyers than sellers, and thus buyers have will more bargaining power to adjust the prices. Sellers are usually at the losing end in 2nd hand sales, so dont gear hop too much.
if the price is reasonable low ballers wont succeed, because there will be people who will offer you at the original price.
Note that the 2nd hand market prices are generally set by the buyers, because there are generally more buyers than sellers, and thus buyers have will more bargaining power to adjust the prices. Sellers are usually at the losing end in 2nd hand sales, so dont gear hop too much.
PatheinRaindropMoe
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heh, that sounds like one bamboo pole hit one boat of people overboard.
kids never come and say seller stuck up, trying to sell at stupid price or as if doing a favour to 2nd hand market, why are we picking on the kids. Perhaps perhaps, lotsa uncles like to lowball young people too, trick them into selling, go into room and...
kids never come and say seller stuck up, trying to sell at stupid price or as if doing a favour to 2nd hand market, why are we picking on the kids. Perhaps perhaps, lotsa uncles like to lowball young people too, trick them into selling, go into room and...
never encounter any lowballers...i`ll just ignore them if they do respond rediculously.
As for buying from others ...i dont ask for discount..if i find the selling price is fair ..then i`ll contact the buyer.If i dun hav the money at that point i`ll tell the seller no need to lowball..
if youre honest the buyer might give you a discount
the music community in sg is rather small so youre bound to meet/deal with the same person in the future..
before i post stuff for sale normally i ask my circle of friends first..if the`re not interested then i post on the net like luther...
As for buying from others ...i dont ask for discount..if i find the selling price is fair ..then i`ll contact the buyer.If i dun hav the money at that point i`ll tell the seller no need to lowball..
if youre honest the buyer might give you a discount
the music community in sg is rather small so youre bound to meet/deal with the same person in the future..
before i post stuff for sale normally i ask my circle of friends first..if the`re not interested then i post on the net like luther...
jeremyrozario
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ok, for a almost mint condition item, what would you depreciate it by?
lets have a 100% hypothetical situation
if lets say a $180 pedal, its still availible in the market, still in production
say maybe its abt 3 months old, abt a 9.5/10 condition
so I would set it at 75% depreciation, bringing it to $135, maybe a low of $126 at maybe 70%
is that decent?
den maybe you get a few different messages condescendingly saying things like:
"i'll take it from you at $100 tomorrow"
get what i mean?
anw sorry for being angsty and setting the poll so retardedly biased
lets have a 100% hypothetical situation
if lets say a $180 pedal, its still availible in the market, still in production
say maybe its abt 3 months old, abt a 9.5/10 condition
so I would set it at 75% depreciation, bringing it to $135, maybe a low of $126 at maybe 70%
is that decent?
den maybe you get a few different messages condescendingly saying things like:
"i'll take it from you at $100 tomorrow"
get what i mean?
anw sorry for being angsty and setting the poll so retardedly biased
just ignore that bugger man!!haha thats low ball at its best i must say...
normally i`ll advise those ppl that lowball me to go to SUNGEI ROAD or cash converter...haha..not being rude ...just that i feel they might get what they want there at a superlow price but ...duuno if its working..
apart from buying and selling ...i`ll like to make friends with those that i`ve traded/sell/buy from them..
chill man see you on wed...you want me to lowball you haha
normally i`ll advise those ppl that lowball me to go to SUNGEI ROAD or cash converter...haha..not being rude ...just that i feel they might get what they want there at a superlow price but ...duuno if its working..
apart from buying and selling ...i`ll like to make friends with those that i`ve traded/sell/buy from them..
chill man see you on wed...you want me to lowball you
haha
jeremyrozario
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so maybe i should bring some extra wood :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Jeremy, the example you gave is a decent one. From what I observed for the past few years, the unhealthy culture now is:
1) In a way, it is more of a buyers' market now, this pressured most sellers to lower their selling price. Looks like this is the general feeling we all had now.
2) The mentality that used gear should be priced at 50% of the retail price. And this is regardless of the condition of the gear.
3) The effects of big sales. Sellers who did not buy their gears during sale suffer in some ways.
I was trying to sell my Marshall RG-1 I bought 1st-hand from Davis some months ago. Davis was selling it at $170 back then, and I priced mine at $120, which is 70% of the retail price. Mine was in mint condition, played less than 10 times. Guess what? i couldn't find a buyer. Those buyers who contacted me wanted me to lower it to $100, $90, $80...
I was in no hurry to sell the pedal, decided to keep it, so that I don't loose so much money because of the lousy market. hifi is right, don't gear hop too much.
Lowballers aren't just coming from the students. I got pressured by lowballer uncle before, uncle who drove big car... I couldn't believe it till I met one... Lowballing is a mindset.
If you think the musical instruments market is bad, check this out:
http://forums.vr-zone.com/forumdisplay.php?f=10
IMO, the computer/electronics market is more scary... maybe because such products' lifetime is shorter.
So far, I think highballing is not a big issue, lowballing is...
1) In a way, it is more of a buyers' market now, this pressured most sellers to lower their selling price. Looks like this is the general feeling we all had now.
2) The mentality that used gear should be priced at 50% of the retail price. And this is regardless of the condition of the gear.
3) The effects of big sales. Sellers who did not buy their gears during sale suffer in some ways.
I was trying to sell my Marshall RG-1 I bought 1st-hand from Davis some months ago. Davis was selling it at $170 back then, and I priced mine at $120, which is 70% of the retail price. Mine was in mint condition, played less than 10 times. Guess what? i couldn't find a buyer. Those buyers who contacted me wanted me to lower it to $100, $90, $80...
I was in no hurry to sell the pedal, decided to keep it, so that I don't loose so much money because of the lousy market. hifi is right, don't gear hop too much.
Lowballers aren't just coming from the students. I got pressured by lowballer uncle before, uncle who drove big car... I couldn't believe it till I met one... Lowballing is a mindset.
If you think the musical instruments market is bad, check this out:
http://forums.vr-zone.com/forumdisplay.php?f=10
IMO, the computer/electronics market is more scary... maybe because such products' lifetime is shorter.
So far, I think highballing is not a big issue, lowballing is...
gutturalpiss
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But when i go to Penin, i always buy $100 stuff for $40.
And sometime ago there was a hardware sale in Fuwell, SLS. Some ppl sold the $99 card for $150! I tried too :mrgreen: Well that isnt really lowballing but whatever it is, it is business. Everyone wants to save, AND earn.
And sometime ago there was a hardware sale in Fuwell, SLS. Some ppl sold the $99 card for $150! I tried too :mrgreen: Well that isnt really lowballing but whatever it is, it is business. Everyone wants to save, AND earn.
hifi_killer said:
Sounds like an uninformed generalisation, why not assume that it's a sign of too many lowballers :roll: It could go both ways like many have said, but seems like the trend is more prevalent...and i think that's what the threadstarter had wanted to address
I received a $200 offer for a solid birch ply cab fitted with 2 Eminence Governors, how's that for stubbornly insisting my selling price on the 2x12 cab or maybe even the 1.4k JCM800 that i sold recently which took i think it was 4 pages of bumping. Way too many lowballers, ridiculous requests & hollow men
alias1377934a
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I once sold a $500 piano to a guy for $150 cash and a yamaha psr which i later sold for $150 total $300.Is he a lowballer?Nope he is not.I want to sell he wants to buy.
jeremyrozario said:
:lol: .. this sounds very familiar.. i get a similar msg before.. might be the one and same person who sends such sms-es thinking that he'll get the item at whatever price he wants..
i seriously feel that for such lowballers.. we should have a black list on SOFT 8)
weed them all out
