Randolf mods

Hey shred, thanks, now my issue is with the Hot Rod Deville, the Laney VC30 is doing well...will def seek ciel's help if I encounter some issues with the Laney.

Hey leecs, see the funny thing is...my rm isn't particularly big, but I'm dialling up to 4 on the vol. I was expecting to only be able to hit 2 or 3, but even with 4 I don't get nobody screaming at me.

amp woes!
 
my Laney is 2x10 though. And my HRD is 4x10. hm?

The HRD has loads of low end compared to the Laney. With a high output pup going into the amp chances are you'll hear the low end breaking up first if the lows mids and highs are all set at 12 o clock. You'll have to back off the lows and mids and jack up the treble and dial in the right amount of top end shimmer with the presence knob to arrive at a neutral sound. Fender amps sound like Fender amps with low and mid output pups. High output pups are suited more for 6L6 power tubed Heads driving 4 x 12 closed back speaker cabs. Choice of speaker wattage will help control the degree of speaker breakup and low end tightness.

Ayooo Crazy rite? Hehehehe :lol:
 
KenC: Hmmmmm, maybe different amps got different settings or whatever. If i dial to 4, my window glass will shatter. My room is not big too. I stay in Sengkang, only 110 Sq metres. You should know those HDB flats there are not big compared to the older 4-5rm flats.
 
Eh Randolf, ever since @ day in TAGS when you upped the Goblin volume and then remarked to me that "eh, your treble so low ah?" - treble is now up. It didn't make sense then but it does now...

Shreddy Moo and his ongoing tone quest! How's things in boutique land?


The Goblin a nice amp is imho the same league as the Fender Blues Junior and Carvin V16. They are all full tube and using a single speaker within a small weight friendly combo. They are a geat way to use, learn and experience the classy sound of power tube saturation at a much more real (not attenuated) tolerable decibel range.

Depending on type of pups into drive pedals driving the inputs, tweaking of the tone knobs These amps sound great with the master volume usually around or just before "6". They sound just right for a small room setting but anything more and they start to sound boxy due to their small open back enclosure design. This is not necessarily bad just mike this lil babes and let the PA bring out more low end thump.
 
Shreddy Moo and his ongoing tone quest! How's things in boutique land?

:lol:

I'm going into Ring Mods, Noise boxes and Delay stuff now. Call it bliss. :D And I'm no longer with the Ibanez Saber with the medium-high output pups... now using a maho/maple guitar with Bill Lawrence singles and a 9k alnico humbucker. Age is catching up...

I've been tweaking/toying with the Goblin... lots of nice things there, things I never would have known/bothered if I didn't go tube. That said, I don't know anything about tubes and ... I hope to not go there (yet) or else I wouldn't have enough time to play music!

I actually put the Goblin into a corner of my room, with a shelf beside it... so its like surrounded on 3 sides... the bass is shocking but I dunno how that would translate in a recording environment - new PC and recording interface to be up in mth's time hopefully.
 
Ring Mods! Nice. :) Age with growing experience and knowlege is always a good thing i'd like to think :) With all the drive pedals at your disposal on the floor it only makes ore sense to go medium and low utput for the pups and let the pedals combined with the amp's drive do the rest of the gainy work. This way I think you'll agree you have a wider dynamic range to articulate your tones with none or all the gain you want. More colours is always a good thing.

Don't worry too much about amp anxiety. The simple approach is 3 ways in whichever amp tube solid state you'll settle for in the future;

1. 1x12
2. 2x12
3. 4x12

A single 1 x 12 will be virtually impossible to achieve a stack sound but then again maybe you don't need a 4 x 12. However if all the rhythm tracks, clean, crunch and leads are recorded from a single 1x12 things easily get too one dimensional especially in recordings.

...and then of cos there's always the virtual way with amp and spkr simulators rite? :)
 
well my teochew bro randy bro... all you need is a POD XT and a Visual Sound amp to rule the world.
 
A single 1 x 12 will be virtually impossible to achieve a stack sound but then again maybe you don't need a 4 x 12. However if all the rhythm tracks, clean, crunch and leads are recorded from a single 1x12 things easily get too one dimensional especially in recordings.

...and then of cos there's always the virtual way with amp and spkr simulators rite? :)

That's interesting. When recording with a 4x12, you tend to mic one speaker only anyways yea? So what we refer to as cabinet sound may not really be 4 speakers all going at once.

Of course... with a 4x12 I am sure the multiple speaker choice will come in useful. Different speakers being micc-ed will come out different on the recording.

Randolf... How about cleans through a 4x10? :D :D :D
 
That's interesting. When recording with a 4x12, you tend to mic one speaker only anyways yea? So what we refer to as cabinet sound may not really be 4 speakers all going at once.

Guitar amp miking is a whole different volume of discussion altogether but does have a significant effect on the tone of the overall guitar rig. The most common way to mike any amp be 1x12, 2x12 or 4x12 is to use 1x SM57 mike aimed at the cone either center, off center, straigh, angled, close or slightly distance. All these variables have different effects on the overall tone.

A single 12' speaker usually sounds punchy and direct sounding retaining highs and lows depending on the position of the mic. A 4x12 cab miked with a single SM57 has several things going on which makes the sound very different from a single or twin speaker cab. This is because of the physics of phasing. This is caused by the combination of the direct sound fromt he speaker in front of the mic combined with the late sound captured from the other speakers. This is the distinctive nasal snarl of a 4 x 12 speaker cab that you'll hear easily on classic rock records.
 
Some hopefully interesting info about guitar amps; :D

The classic sound of the Fender Bassman which Roland Jazz Chorus JC160 mimics but in a more modern solid state sure cleaness. This sound is clean and tight perfect for Rockabilly and funky Jazz Fusion but may be too hard sounding for classic rock tones for most including myself.

THe JC 120 which has the clean sheen and oomph of a loud non saturated Fender Twin Reverb is believe it or not also considered a classic amp tone.
If you want full bodied clean tones that won't breakup at high volumes the JC120 is the sound to go for. Hint: If you have to use a JC120 for a gig. Simply click on the overdrive knob and leave it at it's minimum position. Almost like switching and OD1 pedal the amp will start to sound soggier almost like a saturating tube amp. Nice :)

The hard to find classic Vox AC30 is the amp to go for if that edge of the cliff clean into breakup sound is what you'd die for. It's got a very musical roll off of the mushy lows that's the trademark of classic Brit bands. The extreme musicality of these claasic British amps range from Beatles into REM into U2 into Queen. I've only heard and plyed through one and man I do wish I own one of these hopefully one day. :)

The Twin Reverb is a very loud amp but when it reaches that stage of clean into breakup once experienced everything else pales in comparison. Lotsa low end oomph with a top end sheen to die for. Only the very experienced articulate players can bring out the true magic that these amps have. Incorporating a seperate master volume the modern Twin reverbs are more volume friendly these days.

Marshall Head and 4 x 12 Speaker Cab come in so many flavours now but the real classic tonal character of these british amps is only achieved when coupled with 4 x 12 cabs. The fine balancing act of pre amp against power amp distortion into type of speakers provide a very wide range of classic rock tones be it with Strats or Les Paul type pickup configurations. These amps sound very cold and hard at bedroom levels but past the threshold ccording to an old friend " the sound of molten gold man!" :)

Modelling Technology Amps IMHO A brilliant idea by the manufacturers. However, it has also created alot of confusion among many disgruntled inexperinced users who mostly never developed experience and understanding of the real amps these simulations offer so instead they get turned off and simply dismiss them as fake sounding. While it's true that many of these simulators are simulators of the real thng at best they also offer a great pallette of tonal colours for users to explore and discover what suits them best for their style and music and later on perhaps move on to make more accurate decisions about plonking serious cash for the right amps.

I guess there's more but that's it for now. Hope this has been somewhat helpful. :)
 
Schweet.

So many great amps out there to go try and play... Even with Marshalls there are Plexis, JTM's, Many JCM's, DSL's and TSL's... *drool one side*

Fender has the.... blackface, silverface, Tweed *drool from both sides*

And Vox has had their various eras as well.

:lol:
 
Modelling Technology Amps IMHO A brilliant idea by the manufacturers. However, it has also created alot of confusion among many disgruntled inexperinced users who mostly never developed experience and understanding of the real amps these simulations offer so instead they get turned off and simply dismiss them as fake sounding

Randolf,

Which modelling amp would you recommend?
 
Radius_Vector dude, you got awesome pedals...

Have you tried running them into a clean Line6 amp?

One of those monsters.... 4 x 12 cab and head...

Its friggin scary.
 
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