Whitestrat
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You mean the REAL 1957 strat came with Fender 57/62 pickups??? Wow! And plastic knobs? and poly undercoats?
Query: Jap Fender Vs USA Fender strat
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You mean the REAL 1957 strat came with Fender 57/62 pickups??? Wow! And plastic knobs? and poly undercoats?
HIMYNAMEISARTHUR
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ok i dun see this discussion going anywhere, we can bring up every model and/or every detail and at the end of the day we still wouldnt agree with each other, so we would just stick to our own beliefs.
PatheinRaindropMoe
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in a way, the progression went on to become like the question, "how many geetarers we'll need to change lightbulb"
shinobi
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i don't get why there has to be 'beliefs'.
jap fenders and usa fenders are built to different specs, from (obviously) different factories, with different production lines using different methods.
and NEITHER build their guitars to the exact specs of vintage models. one reason is because many production methods of the past no longer exist today.
the only certainty is that fender USA is more expensive than fender japan. and for whatever reason, some people want to believe that there is a causal link between the difference in price and the difference in production.
jap fenders and usa fenders are built to different specs, from (obviously) different factories, with different production lines using different methods.
and NEITHER build their guitars to the exact specs of vintage models. one reason is because many production methods of the past no longer exist today.
the only certainty is that fender USA is more expensive than fender japan. and for whatever reason, some people want to believe that there is a causal link between the difference in price and the difference in production.
ymmak
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I guess when guitarists use the word "reissue", they are refering to an almost perfect replica of the guitar from that specific era. If "reissue" just means "it is based on a certain model from that era and boasts features and parts consistent with production then", then there will be many reissues around, coz many modern guitars are modeled after vintage ones.
But then again, some linguist will argue that Fender hasnt reissue any strats yet, coz they have never discontinue the strat from their production line in the first place.
Personally, the main reason as to why I do not think that jap strats are reissues has got alot to do with the way Fender Japan market their strats. If the jap strats are supposed to be reissues, they will prominently and conspicuosly market them as "reissues" rather than to give them some funny names like st72 or something like that. They may also put a higher price tag on the reissues, since they are really popular among many players nowadays. Lastly, why would Fender USA cannibalise themselves by allowing their jap counterparts to manufacture and sell reissues at lower price when they already have reissues made in the USA?
I guess at the end of the day, it all boils down to perception. We may probably never agree with each other on whether jap strats are reissues or not, but I guess many of us will feel that jap strats are winners in our hearts.
But then again, some linguist will argue that Fender hasnt reissue any strats yet, coz they have never discontinue the strat from their production line in the first place.
Personally, the main reason as to why I do not think that jap strats are reissues has got alot to do with the way Fender Japan market their strats. If the jap strats are supposed to be reissues, they will prominently and conspicuosly market them as "reissues" rather than to give them some funny names like st72 or something like that. They may also put a higher price tag on the reissues, since they are really popular among many players nowadays. Lastly, why would Fender USA cannibalise themselves by allowing their jap counterparts to manufacture and sell reissues at lower price when they already have reissues made in the USA?
I guess at the end of the day, it all boils down to perception. We may probably never agree with each other on whether jap strats are reissues or not, but I guess many of us will feel that jap strats are winners in our hearts.
Ized
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i guess you are someone who must really appreciates and knows the true value of vintage strats mr whitestrat sir......
ymmak
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One thing I do not understand, if jap strats r reissues, y dont they market them as reissues? Y call them ST72 rather than 72' RI? At best, I will associate CIJ strats to those MIM classic strats. And it perturbs me that basswood strats should be labelled as reissues, as basswood is not frequently associated with vintage strats. Such irregularities make me stubborn into believing that jap strats are reissues. Sorry, but I cannot help it... 
EngelFaeuste
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Want a Fender? Buy a Jackson.
Whitestrat
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*sigh*. Not really. Vintage strats were made of crappy materials. Anything we have now in the American Standard can be seen as an upgrade. I don't know why there's such a big fuss about vintages. The knobs and bobbins were easily breakable bakelite pieces. That V shaped neck was an accident. What's "amazing" about that? Buy a good Am Std, play it for 40 years, and it'll sound as good as those vintages.
There are those who insist that vintage instruments sound better than a new one. Well, a normal strat from the 50s which was NEVER played and constantly cleaned would still sound as if it's brand new. So where's the mojo?
Besides, a vintage instrument was designed for the music and people back then. Not today's context.
Give me a well made MODERN instrument any day...
You have to look at the history how Japanese Strat came about.
Years ago, there were so many Strat 'copy' around the world. Hence Fender worked with a company in Japan by allowing them to stamp FENDER on those guitars, meaning to at least not totally lose out to imitation. That's how the Japanese Fender came about.
If history is not important, just buy anything you like and fits your budget.
Years ago, there were so many Strat 'copy' around the world. Hence Fender worked with a company in Japan by allowing them to stamp FENDER on those guitars, meaning to at least not totally lose out to imitation. That's how the Japanese Fender came about.
If history is not important, just buy anything you like and fits your budget.
Ized
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One thing I do not understand, if jap strats r reissues, y dont they market them as reissues? Y call them ST72 rather than 72' RI? At best, I will associate CIJ strats to those MIM classic strats. And it perturbs me that basswood strats should be labelled as reissues, as basswood is not frequently associated with vintage strats. Such irregularities make me stubborn into believing that jap strats are reissues. Sorry, but I cannot help it...
Don't like it, don't buy it.
No need to be perturbed and stuff.