Pls Recommend a Bridge Humbucker For Ibanez S
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MrBukka
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Yeah i have been there and read a number of threads......true enough it is definitely not cut out for full out metal due to its mid output, but i am hoping it can cop some classic metallica sounds and some joe satch sounds as for heavy tones.
What drew me to it is that it cleans up nicely and has a real nice clean/bluesy/rock tones in it.......of course it would never hurt to have more output keke......
Btw shredcow my man, for a mid output pu like the air norton, how does it fair with high gain amps frm ur experience? For me i normally use the clean channel in my amp and push it with pedals like goose's 7th and barber direct drive, and since i have a keeley katana clean boost pedal, will it help pumping up the signal for occational high octane riffs and solos?
What drew me to it is that it cleans up nicely and has a real nice clean/bluesy/rock tones in it.......of course it would never hurt to have more output keke......
Btw shredcow my man, for a mid output pu like the air norton, how does it fair with high gain amps frm ur experience? For me i normally use the clean channel in my amp and push it with pedals like goose's 7th and barber direct drive, and since i have a keeley katana clean boost pedal, will it help pumping up the signal for occational high octane riffs and solos?
Well, give it a spin and let us know how you find it. This is would be a good thing to know about. I hope its not TOO warm - given your saber, which isn't a bright thing ya know?
Mid-output pups are supposed to be able to be the jack of all trades. Decent cleans, holds together well under gain but it wouldn't give you splendid cleans, thrashing metal.
I used to think that one should go low output on the pups and let the gear handle the gain. That way, you get the least compressed tone and the nicest cleans. Need more compression? Up the gain or use a Compressor. Need fatter cleans? Adjust EQ.
But I was wrong.
Somethings can't be replaced as easily. While tweaking EQ is yeah, no problem... the compression - you can't change that. Using a compression, no man, the feel is totally different.
I realized there was still a place for high output pickups - it affects the feel. (the other 50% of tone)
So if you intend to play high gain - sure, having high gain pedals and amps and boosters will help BUT you can't get a low output pup to FEEL like a hot pickup. For example, legato tends to suffer due to the lack of compression from low output pups but take a hot pickup, suddenly you have more compression and things get easier.
In relation with the 7th, you're going to get less saturation than with an SD JB... think possibly clearer, cleaner drive with more range of dynamics.
Something like that. I over yak.
Mid-output pups are supposed to be able to be the jack of all trades. Decent cleans, holds together well under gain but it wouldn't give you splendid cleans, thrashing metal.
I used to think that one should go low output on the pups and let the gear handle the gain. That way, you get the least compressed tone and the nicest cleans. Need more compression? Up the gain or use a Compressor. Need fatter cleans? Adjust EQ.
But I was wrong.
Somethings can't be replaced as easily. While tweaking EQ is yeah, no problem... the compression - you can't change that. Using a compression, no man, the feel is totally different.
I realized there was still a place for high output pickups - it affects the feel. (the other 50% of tone)
So if you intend to play high gain - sure, having high gain pedals and amps and boosters will help BUT you can't get a low output pup to FEEL like a hot pickup. For example, legato tends to suffer due to the lack of compression from low output pups but take a hot pickup, suddenly you have more compression and things get easier.
In relation with the 7th, you're going to get less saturation than with an SD JB... think possibly clearer, cleaner drive with more range of dynamics.
Something like that. I over yak.
MrBukka
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Hey shredcow, i am more than happy to hear u yakking abt stuff that r so useful bro, really appreciate it.
Well being a JB player for many years, i think this will be like jumping into a blackhole not knowing wat will happen, but i will use this oppotunity to try out different pu and see how it goes, for all i know i will go back to the JB again in the end haha.
Abt the compression frm the pus i totally agree that no effects can replace them, i just hope that this will be an interesting experience. Since alot of pple love the air norton in the neck, i may try it there in the future and retweak my sound again.
When i am done i will post a review on it, and spread the news keke, break out frm the box kinda stuff since not many or noone has tried it in SG yet!
Well being a JB player for many years, i think this will be like jumping into a blackhole not knowing wat will happen, but i will use this oppotunity to try out different pu and see how it goes, for all i know i will go back to the JB again in the end haha.
Abt the compression frm the pus i totally agree that no effects can replace them, i just hope that this will be an interesting experience. Since alot of pple love the air norton in the neck, i may try it there in the future and retweak my sound again.
When i am done i will post a review on it, and spread the news keke, break out frm the box kinda stuff since not many or noone has tried it in SG yet!
Alchemist
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Hey dude this is the only guy i know who uses the AN in the bridge.(i'm planning to put 2 AN in my ibanez SZ320 as well haha)
Check out these vid for references on how it sounds like :
Lead( Ignore boosty's ranting lol):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX5kYgnQ2AI&feature=related
Riffing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqf9nIUAzgM
A combination of stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVjpSwmLTgE&feature=related
He's using a TZ in the neck if you are wondering
Check out these vid for references on how it sounds like :
Lead( Ignore boosty's ranting lol):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX5kYgnQ2AI&feature=related
Riffing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqf9nIUAzgM
A combination of stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVjpSwmLTgE&feature=related
He's using a TZ in the neck if you are wondering
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Whitestrat
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I think you can't add things to your chain that weren't there in the first place. You can take it away, but you can't add it in. If high powered pup tones are what you're after, you won't get it with low output pups. You CAN get a moderately nice low output tone with a medium output pup by adding a treble bleed, turning down the volume etc etc, but again, the feel will still be a little different to begin with. But you cannot do things the other way. You just get noise. Pump a true single coil through a high gained amp, and you can get a nice tone. But it won't be the same as throwing an EMG in the mix.
There's a time and place for everything in this universe. Just have to decide where your place is, what your sound is, and what you want to use to get it.
Ized
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Haha thanks dudelove, Dime and MrBukka for the reference....im feeling the love here but sorry haven had time to go on soft after chionging my final year project and staying in sch for 24 hrs straight 8)
Anyways i had 2 s-series guitars, an ibanez s370 and a 470. the 470 was kept completely stock and the 370 was changed to an air norton neck, hot rail middle and jb bridge. The crappy lopro was also swapped for an original Edge bridge. I liked the sound of the other pickups but not the jb. it just seemed too trebly and harsh for my liking. Also, for some reason my s470 with the stock INF pickups sounded better.
The s-series guitars may be mahogany, yes but they tend to exhibit a more hollow sound compared to say an LP cos the body is much thinner. They still have that thick bass and smooth mids but rounded highs which is why i prefer my strat cos it has more sizzling highs. I also used the s470 cos herman li used to have one and i really dug him back then.
You can try the vipers too cos i tried the s guitar there with one and it sounds really good. shredcow was a former s540 user too so he should know.
Btw, i dont play the s-series guitars no more. strats are now my niche but im looking at getting an s5470....24 fret s series *drool*
Anyways i had 2 s-series guitars, an ibanez s370 and a 470. the 470 was kept completely stock and the 370 was changed to an air norton neck, hot rail middle and jb bridge. The crappy lopro was also swapped for an original Edge bridge. I liked the sound of the other pickups but not the jb. it just seemed too trebly and harsh for my liking. Also, for some reason my s470 with the stock INF pickups sounded better.
The s-series guitars may be mahogany, yes but they tend to exhibit a more hollow sound compared to say an LP cos the body is much thinner. They still have that thick bass and smooth mids but rounded highs which is why i prefer my strat cos it has more sizzling highs. I also used the s470 cos herman li used to have one and i really dug him back then.
You can try the vipers too cos i tried the s guitar there with one and it sounds really good. shredcow was a former s540 user too so he should know.
Btw, i dont play the s-series guitars no more. strats are now my niche but im looking at getting an s5470....24 fret s series *drool*
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MrBukka
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Alritey guys i have decided to install the air norton in the bridge, we shall see how it will fare. Tried the stock pups on the S670SE and it didnt float my boat.......sad but true. Ized since the JB isn't the pu for the S due to the high treble, hmmmm so i guess the the air norton may fare better since it is less trebly and much warmer.
Hope that the new pup setup will be wat i am looking for.
Hope that the new pup setup will be wat i am looking for.
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MrBukka
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Hey dude this is the only guy i know who uses the AN in the bridge.(i'm planning to put 2 AN in my ibanez SZ320 as well haha)
Check out these vid for references on how it sounds like :
Lead( Ignore boosty's ranting lol):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX5kYgnQ2AI&feature=related
Riffing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqf9nIUAzgM
A combination of stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVjpSwmLTgE&feature=related
He's using a TZ in the neck if you are wondering
Bro i searched everywhere and apparently it is still hugely unknown what pups buckethead uses. But i must say, i really dig his tone and if it is accurate that he uses air norton then i will be in for a gd ride lol!
MrBukka
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Hahaha just a small review guys, tried it out for the first time at TYMC, 1st hearing is really encouraging! Real smooth in both the neck SD 59' and the Air Norton in the bridge, surprisingly the air norton is pretty chuggable keke.......but a real nice solo pup. Will come back again for more!
Thanx ized for ur advices bro!
Thanx ized for ur advices bro!
Whitestrat
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I don't see why not. The AN was initially designed as a bridge pup. It was Petrucci who began using it as a neck pup, and made it popular.
MrBukka
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Thats true, i guess alot of players just caught the petrucci wave and just totally didnt realise what the air norton was originally designed for keke.......
Ized u r were really right abt the S series tonal qualities, surprisingly for the SH 59 and air norton which r both suppose to be pretty dark sounding pups came alive and sounded really balanced in my S670SE which was amazing ....and i thought it would sound like my LP haha.
Ized u r were really right abt the S series tonal qualities, surprisingly for the SH 59 and air norton which r both suppose to be pretty dark sounding pups came alive and sounded really balanced in my S670SE which was amazing ....and i thought it would sound like my LP haha.
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