Please stop it with the selling of tickets to perform. Just stop it.
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EngelFaeuste
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Timeless topic, wasted breath. Desperate little kids will always exist. Where there is supply there is demand. That's when the exploitation begins!
namelessone
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Totally agree with you. Time for those organisers to realise that the money their taking isn't suppose to be theirs. They just sit back and see the show end. Only booking the place is their job
theblueark
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Serious question, not making fun of you or being an ass:
Why aren't you doing this?
Why aren't you doing this?
namelessone
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dude, iskandar does this. you should check out the gigs he organise. its all this system. thats why he is doing this thread
opposite_youth
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his idealogy of this thread is basically to stop the ripoff money making business.. i support you iskandar..
Studio+79
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blueark,
I AM doing that. splitting the cost with the bands and sharing the revenue.
Satch,
Im not whining. At least I give a damn about the local scene.
Soft,
Yes I may not be doing enough. What else do you expect me to do? I dont see you doing anything either? and you run this forum?
"I understand that you organise gigs too. Maybe what you can do is to organise MORE such non-exploitation and independent gigs to 'kill' off the 'bad' ones?"
All I'm asking is that the way of thinking/system/trend be changed.
Opposite_youth,
Thanks man, thats what im trying to get at.
I AM doing that. splitting the cost with the bands and sharing the revenue.
Satch,
Im not whining. At least I give a damn about the local scene.
Soft,
Yes I may not be doing enough. What else do you expect me to do? I dont see you doing anything either? and you run this forum?
"I understand that you organise gigs too. Maybe what you can do is to organise MORE such non-exploitation and independent gigs to 'kill' off the 'bad' ones?"
All I'm asking is that the way of thinking/system/trend be changed.
Opposite_youth,
Thanks man, thats what im trying to get at.
mockingbird
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Iskandar, I applaud your decision to stand up and bring this matter up, despite it being heavily debated about, with still no positive conclusion. Seems there is really nothing much we can do. If all organizers were like you, then things would be so much easier. You could keep on doing what you do. Fingers crossed, your positive ‘profit-free’ mindset will rub off on other organizers. Though it’s unlikely (we all know money talks), at least you’ve done your part, man. 8)
theblueark
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I'm getting to a point, just bear with me. I'm really curious, not trying to be a smart ass.
If you're doing this already, better still, you can answer some long unanswered questions.
1. How much time do you spend organising one such gig?
2. If you divide your profits by the time spent, how much are you earning per hour?
3. Assuming one of these bad organisers make $xxx per hour, where $xxx = $400/time spent. Is this considered exploitation? Or just a way of making a living?
I'm curious as to how much these bad organisers make per hour, to be justified into be called exploiters, instead of just cold businessmen.
If you're doing this already, better still, you can answer some long unanswered questions.
1. How much time do you spend organising one such gig?
2. If you divide your profits by the time spent, how much are you earning per hour?
3. Assuming one of these bad organisers make $xxx per hour, where $xxx = $400/time spent. Is this considered exploitation? Or just a way of making a living?
I'm curious as to how much these bad organisers make per hour, to be justified into be called exploiters, instead of just cold businessmen.
I think from my point of view. Organizers whether small or big companies need to achieve some profits at least. Organizing a gig / show / concert is like doing a one time business. And when there is money involved, obviously the organizers need to have profits. Thus when the organizers wanted to do their next gig, they (hopefully) use the previous profit money to cover the cost of the current gig.
In organizing a gig, there is a saying. You have to lose first in order to gain. Cheers.
Studio+79
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hi blueark,
How to organise your own gig:
Step 1
Call Crawlspace or any other venue. ask crawlspace whether particular date is available. Crawlspace says yes,it is available. Booking done. (done in less than 5 mins. 10 minutes if you stutter. depends on how fast you talk also and what you talk about)
(Permit is usually settled by the owners of the venue)
Step 2
I contact the bands via phone or email. they get back to me. I call them up for the gig. they pass me their share of the cost via internet banking or pay on the day of the gig itself.
Step 3
I create a poster and post it online and at jamming studios/ schools.
Doesnt take much. And im doing this alone.
And I dont really earn anything,let alone $400.
just helping out bands.
I guess you're right theblueark, maybe this is just business. they are just businessmen. out to make money. and im not.
How to organise your own gig:
Step 1
Call Crawlspace or any other venue. ask crawlspace whether particular date is available. Crawlspace says yes,it is available. Booking done. (done in less than 5 mins. 10 minutes if you stutter. depends on how fast you talk also and what you talk about)
(Permit is usually settled by the owners of the venue)
Step 2
I contact the bands via phone or email. they get back to me. I call them up for the gig. they pass me their share of the cost via internet banking or pay on the day of the gig itself.
Step 3
I create a poster and post it online and at jamming studios/ schools.
Doesnt take much. And im doing this alone.
And I dont really earn anything,let alone $400.
just helping out bands.
I guess you're right theblueark, maybe this is just business. they are just businessmen. out to make money. and im not.
Iceruff
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How about I present with you this situation? instead of asking them to sell the tickets and the organizer earning the cost? How bout let them sell the tickets just to breakeven the booking cost? If they sell more, hey then its their profit.
Coz i believe that:
1. It gauge their popularity within community. Hence organizers know they these bands are worth calling for.
2. Breakeven cost. This is basically what you been trying to explain. Covers booking fee and organizers doesn't put profit into the pocket.
3. So in an instance that they sell profit, money is their's. This builds up the rep between organizer and band.
But i came up with one problem: What if they don't sell the required amount of tickets to breakeven? Is it going to come out from the organizers or the bands?
Coz i believe that:
1. It gauge their popularity within community. Hence organizers know they these bands are worth calling for.
2. Breakeven cost. This is basically what you been trying to explain. Covers booking fee and organizers doesn't put profit into the pocket.
3. So in an instance that they sell profit, money is their's. This builds up the rep between organizer and band.
But i came up with one problem: What if they don't sell the required amount of tickets to breakeven? Is it going to come out from the organizers or the bands?
Letdown Bunch
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salute to u bro iskandar. lets stop this madness. :twisted:
Iceruff
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then i suppose it fair for them? at least to the point it is enuff for the breakeven of the booking price?
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