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Waitress, man to be caned in Malaysia for drinking beer


AFP - Wednesday, January 14 KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 13, 2009 (AFP) - A Malaysian religious court has sentenced a man and a woman to six strokes of the cane for drinking alcohol, in a rare decision in the multicultural nation, a report said Tuesday.

Mohamad Nasir Mohamad, a 38-year-old father of four, and 22-year-old waitress Noorazah Baharuddin, were separately found drinking beer in pubs last year in central Pahang state.
A third accused, part-time model Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno, a 32-year-old Singaporean permanent resident, has also been accused of the same offence and faces a decision on May 4.
The New Straits Times said the Sharia High Court in Pahang handed down the sentences Monday and fined the pair 5,000 ringgit (1,400 dollars) each.
"The caning is to shame them and should be done at any of the prisons in the country," judge Abdul Rahman Yunus was quoted as saying by the daily in his ruling.
He said the sentence was intended as a deterrent to other Muslims, who make up the majority of the population in Malaysia.
The New Straits Times said this was the second time such a sentence has been handed down, after the same judge sentenced two Muslim brothers to six strokes of the cane in 2005 when they were caught drinking.
However, the caning has yet to be carried out as the brothers are appealing the decision.
While Malaysia is a predominantly Muslim country, with large Indian and Chinese minorities, alcohol is widely available and Muslims are rarely punished for consuming it.
"It's rare but it's within the law and Muslims are subject to such law in this country," lawyer Pawancheek Merican, a sharia law committee member of the Malaysian Bar Council, told AFP.
Salahuddin Ayub, a lawmaker and youth chief of the opposition Islamic party PAS said he "agreed" with the court ruling.
"The ruling only concerns Muslims and it does not affect the non-Muslims. It is to remind the Muslims not to drink," he told AFP.
Malaysia has a two-track legal system, with the civil courts operating alongside state-based Sharia courts in which only Muslims can be tried for religious offences.
In the civil courts, caning is carried out with a long, thick length of rattan which breaks open the skin and leaves lasting scars.
"However, under the sharia law, the caning is more to teach and bring shame to the person rather than to inflict pain," lawyer Pawancheek told AFP.
The judge said in the New Straits Times report that the cane to be used on the convicted pair would be not more than 1.22 metres (four feet) long and 1.25 centimetres (half an inch) thick, and that the offenders would be allowed to wear their clothes


FGL'S FOOTNOTE:
Malaysian - I choose the title thread of M'Sia TAK Boleh as a play on the POPULAR TERM Malaysia Boleh.

Lets be open about this. Even your very own LAT the famous cartoonist pokes fun at Malaysia - openly at that in the main newspaper / print media - as he does poke fun at S'pore & other countries / cultures etc ...it's called humour.

I did not choose a thread title like "Muslims / drinking" etc coz my point was to emphasize the strict drinking laws (among other laws) for Muslims in Malaysia in some states.

Somehow or other the whole topic became something else off and went way off tangent into a religious discussion with executions & che wek sub themes ...

But if you had an issue with it ... then I guess a "refomasi" had to be done!

By the way mod - alcohol is plural ...no "s" ....

Ok ..... I'm goin out to party this weekend when my entire clan from KL coming down to town.....hahah yes - My mum and other relatives are all Malaysians living in Kuala Lumpur / Kampung Bahru ....

Salam bros & sises
 
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hmm think muslims cannot consume beer at m'sia and i think its strict there. dont know if its "m'sia tak boleh". but still those ppl has the right to go to hell,if they dont want to change right ? still i cant judge who or what goes to hell. =)

peace
 
Good heavens! I thought this only happened in Saudi Arabia (which bush has kindly supplied with military equipment and friendly deals)!
 
i think.. the folks that kena caught dun wanna pay "kopi money" they should just pay up and leave.. and dun argue...
 
This may sound a little preachy and I apologies beforehand to non-Muslim softies here..

Muslims are prohibited to drink beer irregardless of which country they are in. Though we Muslims have no right to judge others on who goes to hell or heaven in the afterlife, it is within our duty to warn/prevent fellow Muslims to committing wrong and sin in the views of Islam. If the fellow Muslim still does not heed the advice given then he is definately in the wrong and must bear the consequences when being caught doing so. Just as Allah has decreed, “No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another.” (Surah al-Isra, V: 15).

I don't mean to offend but Bro FGL, I do not know what your intention is by pasting this news article. IMO, its just a chance for western media to showcase the world in their view that Shariah law is "barbaric" compared to their brand of civil law. If this article was fair, a supplement writeup or annex explaining Islamic views on alcohol consumption should be included so that non-Muslims will get a better understanding of the Shariah law. This article certainly certainly help to further increase the misconception of Islam.

At the end of the day, Muslims must remember that they have to abide to the rules of the Quran and the Prophet's Sunnah as these are the foundation of the Islamic faith. Its just sad to see that many Muslims do not bother or try to take a deeper understading to their faith nowadays.
 
personally in my humble opinion i think its not right for anyone to judge a person that way. i mean religion is a very personal belief. its up a person whether he wants to follow or not. its not our right as human to judge whether he has done right or wrong. its up to the man up there whether its right or wrong. if we start prosecuting people based on our own beliefs then we are no better then hitler or stalin as dictators. i believe a person has the right to live his life the way he wants be it sinning or doing good. just my personal opinion.

i think people should be sincere about their religion not just follow it blindly because someone else says you have to do this or that. if you wanna believe and follow by right go ahead but if someone else wants to follow a different path let him or her go through it. this is the problem in the world today no one can respect each other, everybody justs wants their own way.

i'm glad we live in a country like singapore where you can practise whatever you want without being prosecuted. i dont see why someone has to be punish for drinking alcohol when he isn't hurting anybody but himself. any if you say what if more muslims become corrupted by seeing more peopl do this and they start doing this themselves. then we should ask this muslims is your faith strong enough to resist this temptation yourselves? if it is then seeing this man or woman drink alcohol shouldn't affect you at all.

just for your info before i get flame. i'm a muslim myself and too me everything should be look upon at a neutral point of view. i have never believe in judging a person when it comes to faith. faith is something then comes from within and is between you and your maker. i do not distinguish between race or religion just what is good or bad imho.
 
Bro FGL is trying to be the modern Muslim by showcasing this piece of news eh? Hur hur hur.

I do view that the punishments is alright actually, they are upholding the real Muslim law, nothing wrong with that. You don't want to be punish, declare yourself a non-Muslim. Easy.

It's not barbaric, it's justified, we all do wrong things anyway. It's a good effort.
 
Malaysia is going backwards everytime a religious official gets elected. Apostasy is forbidden and punishable in many states there. Sharia law is barbaric compared to modern civil laws.
 
Unless those people drank "accidentally" then they shouldn't be punished. Oh well, Malaysia do seem backward in most parts actually.
 
I don't mean to offend but Bro FGL, I do not know what your intention is by pasting this news article.

Why of course I'm not offended bro ..... why in the world should I be? :rolleyes:

I have been to, stayed in (for a brief period) & expirienced the ways of some "Muslim" nations in the world - some "Muslim" countries have a more tolarent approach than others.

Having said that - I have seen citizens of the "stricter" countries indulge in an assortment of vices "under cover" ...

Ultimately, its the individual and what best suits him/her.

My intentions? hmmm maybe 'll keep that to myself ..... and keep you all guessing for now ;)
 
i think people should be sincere about their religion not just follow it blindly because someone else says you have to do this or that. if you wanna believe and follow by right go ahead but if someone else wants to follow a different path let him or her go through it. this is the problem in the world today no one can respect each other, everybody justs wants their own way.

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up your points for making so much sense bro
 
tats weird... lol

ok what if we sporeans (muslims) whos there for holiday caught drinking?

kena cane oso ah? piang eh
 
Being Muslim drinking beer is personal matter. Yes it is against the religion BUT there are many Muslims in the world that do things that is against the teaching of Islam.

What we have here is a law in another country that seems extreme by others BUT, this law is only for Muslims people afterall, Malaysia is a Muslim country.

Let's face it, in Malaysia, if a Muslim person kena caught alone together with the opposite sex, he/she will be charge with khalwat. In Singapore, I guess the govt will gives you incentive to make babies :mrgreen:.

Take this for an example, in Malaysia, they can hold rallies against the govt or any topics that they thought will get media attention (ie the Gaza issues), in Singapore, you need permit to hold rallies. No permit? You know what will happen :cool:.

So other countries might see us too strict on these issues as well as us seeing that they are strict on other issues.

Bottom line is - you have to respect the country law if you want to live there.
 
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i think people should be sincere about their religion not just follow it blindly because someone else says you have to do this or that. if you wanna believe and follow by right go ahead but if someone else wants to follow a different path let him or her go through it. this is the problem in the world today no one can respect each other, everybody justs wants their own way.
up your points for making so much sense bro


Hmm..isn't dat being a bit too selfish?
Let say u see ur pal crossing a river with two bridges ahead of him, Bridge A and B .Bridge A is badly corroded , may collapse anytime and Bridge B is firm and normally used by the people in dat village becos they have the knowledge/information of those 2 bridges condition. U only also know about those 2 bridges becos u seek knowledge and ask around.

Ur pal choose to go Bridge A.... u let him go just becos he choose to?


Sincerity in religion comes from knowledge(Ilmu),Reason (Akal) and Faith or belief (Iman).

Do u believe dat alcohol consumption is forbidden for muslims ( read Quran)...
if Yes but u still consume...ada harapan.

But if u say NO....musnah harapan.

Sorry if I sound too preachy.
 
well, I also wanna know about bridge C, D, E & G - the thing is peolple must tell me about it and not just force me to take bridge A or B .... ;)

other wise all we will all be crossing in bridge over troubled water
 
Being Muslim drinking beer is personal matter. Yes it is against the religion BUT there are many Muslims in the world that do things that is against the teaching of Islam.

it's not just Islam; people in general do things that contravene their religion's commandments- it's called 'mortal weakness'... do we not lie? which religion advocates lying as OK? :cool:
 
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