Mac VS. PC

._. cutsom? are u serious? point me to the source

Look for some benchmark call Geekbench or something. They perform as many kind of benchmark for computer. There you will find part number of every CPU use for computer company and DIYs. I cannot find the same part number in any other company or DIYs. Apple will not take any CPU that above 65 watt for Macbooks and iMacs. For those DIYs, you should not
miss this site as they will list all components used to achieve the ultimate.

Wait I should not know this, I am not a PC Geek!!!!!!NO!!!!!!!
 
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Erm.... The last anti virus I used is Bit Defender. Dunno which edition I used can hijack problematic file and surf all p*** site. But must pay one lah. One of the few top around.
 
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Antivirus and DAW don't go together. As Blueprintstudio said, the constant monitoring slows the system down. A DAW environment can be extremely taxing on the CPU and RAM resources depending on what you are doing (number and types of simultaneous plugins, number of simultaneous tracks and track editing/processing etc). You want all power to go into DAW usage and nothing else.

However, for office use (OT), always go for the paid version. I use Bitdefender on my desktop and Kaspersky on my notebook. I always pick up viruses my colleagues don't with their freeware antiviruses. Just picked up a trojan and a worm from a work USB drive at work yesterday which my colleague's notebook didn't detect. A few weeks ago when I was doing a presentation when I had to share my external drive with a PC running powerpoint, my notebook picked up multiple viruses that the presentation PC didn't pick up. Last year during a lecture I gave, I picked up more than 100 viruses from a friend's USB drive when trying to get our lectures prepared! I never trust free antivirus software...
 
cheez : actually I don't use any antivirus softwares at all. whenever I get "accidentally infected" , I just go straight into disk restoring, (which disables the virus that has installed itself into the registry/startup) , then delete it off. should the virus render my main OS useless, I use BartPE to manually delete the "undeletable".

and it's quite common to identify viruses/spyware/trojan, they're usually a few KBs in size , (worms are in weird extensions like vbs , com etc) when you press "enter" on them they do nothing but you watch you task manager run and install all sorts of "wannabe system" .exes.

this method is working well for me so far
 
Disk restoring depends on the last restore point, which if not done very regularly, can be troublesome (having said that, I use Acronis - see, I cover all ends!). But antivirus is still crucial, esp on the notebook (mobile platforms). During presentations/speaches/talks/seminars/lectures etc (which happen quite often for me), USB sticks get flashed around quite often and I have no time to do image/disk restore if the virus gets into my system a 5 minutes before my presentation, or if I'm running something in the background (eg analysis) and the data gets messed up. Not worth the risk. The antivirus saved me too many times for me to not use it. Only situation when it's not installed is DAW.
 
oh no no, "Disk restoring depends on the last restore point" <-- that's why I modified the registry first to store all the latest data (even Application Data) settings ON a 2nd partition. the fresh barebone install for general use. then should I install loads of DAW stuff or DVW (video) , I'll create yet another disk image named "DAW" or "DVW" from the "fresh install".
the restoring is 100% effective + faster than a complete virus scan (and this is just "scanning") on the drive actually. so the restoring process acts as a "Main OS drive defragmenter" (I disk image after defragging/clearing temp,prefetch files) , virus cleaner, and sort of a "OS refresher" purpose. y'know, click click and go take a big dump. come back ready to go.

but of course if you often plug in USB drives to a non DAW PC, like a presentation laptop it's best to arm yourself with good antivirus without doubt.

my bad before this thread turns into a PC maintenance thread.. I'll stop here...
 
oh no no, "Disk restoring depends on the last restore point" <-- that's why I modified the registry first to store all the latest data (even Application Data) settings ON a 2nd partition. the fresh barebone install for general use. then should I install loads of DAW stuff or DVW (video) , I'll create yet another disk image named "DAW" or "DVW" from the "fresh install".
the restoring is 100% effective + faster than a complete virus scan (and this is just "scanning") on the drive actually. so the restoring process acts as a "Main OS drive defragmenter" (I disk image after defragging/clearing temp,prefetch files) , virus cleaner, and sort of a "OS refresher" purpose. y'know, click click and go take a big dump. come back ready to go.

but of course if you often plug in USB drives to a non DAW PC, like a presentation laptop it's best to arm yourself with good antivirus without doubt.

my bad before this thread turns into a PC maintenance thread.. I'll stop here...

Basically, you are doing a disk image of a proper setup DAW. Then restore whatever it go bust.

While I was doing Sonar, normally I will switch off my PC internet. Unload the antivirus in the memory and start doing.Of cos, my work is only demo quality and learning lah. Don't go that level of high protection.
 
Kongwee, for DAW, it's best that the OS is as clean an install as possible. Any extra programs installed messes up the registry, including the notorious antivirus software. Technically speaking, the DAW boot partition need to have nothing else in it except the DAW software. Everything else can be installed in a dual booted "everything else" OS partition.
 
That why I choose Mac. Do all these thing I will loose my feeling in doing arrangement work.
 
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that said, pc is also not like a nightmare la. not like u dunno how to use computer at all. Juz make sure u stick to simple guidelines, dun surf net, dun download porn, etc, ur comp wont have problems one.
 
i recently switched to a mac for the first time

of course it takes getting used to but sooner or later, you will get there. i do believe leopard is a superior OS, although win7 is tipped to finally reverse this, at least until snow leopard is released.

anyway, the main concern would be your programs/apps. a computer on its own is useless if not for the things you can do with it, which depends on the kind of software you can run.

generally speaking, software is superior on windows. there are some programs you need to get work done, and although some have native-mac versions, they tend to be inferior to the original windows versions. some software makers ignore mac altogether - one example would be google chrome. some programs such as torrent programs and even messenger programs fall short of the mark as well.

of course there are ways you can simulate windows on a mac - but at the expense of performance, memory (stock memory upgrades are more expensive from apple), etc? not worth the hassle.

this is why most software that is 'famously' run on mac tends to be software developed by apple itself. most other software developers are exclusively windows-based. the good thing is that most apple software is good and gets the job done. but outside the applestore you'll find a hard time finding good software that runs on a mac.
 
After you get the hang of using a Mac, one can usually agree that you get more things done on a Mac than on a PC because you need to spend a bit more time on the maintenance aspects of your PC like updating your anti-virus software. On a PC, one has also to be mindful of plugging external storage device, accessing Internet sites, etc. in case you get one of the Virus-Infection-Spyware-Trojan-Adware (V-I-S-T-A) - your sub-conscious mind has to work harder to remember all these things as it is frustrating for one when they strike.

If you are software developer, the SDK is there on your Mac's Install DVD without spending extra on developing software.

My first computer was an Atari 800 followed by Atari 520ST because of its built-in MIDI ports. I remember hooking up a Casio CZ-101 to hear amazing music played. It was followed by Atari MegaSTe and Atari TT030. After Atari went out of business in computers, I started using DIY PCs running Microsoft Windows 3.0, 3.1, 95, NT4.0, 98/SE but I was not really happy with Windows system plus its problems with virus and other inconsistencies. I had experienced with mini-computers like Prime Computers (running PRIMOS) and when I picked up Unix, I love its simplicity and elegence but powerful commands. So Linux was the logical choice but there is no standard when it comes to Windowing system and upgrading can sometimes be a chore on Linux.

When Apple announces Mac OS X with a Unix kernel, I jumped right into it and never look back. Every new versions of Mac OS X bring more improvements, new features and integration, and its GUI is one of the best, if not the best in the market. Under the hood is also another work of science and art. Apples spends more time on user interface and consistencies. For example, on system prior to Windows Vista, when one wants to shutdown, why do one need to spend one more mouse click on a drop-down list of about 4 items to do that, instead of just using 4 buttons labelled Restart, Sleep, Cancel and Shut Down in a dialog box?
 
Actually, I miss my Apple IIe days, programming in BASIC. My first "softsynth" - I programmed it myself using BASIC (all the PEEK and POKE commands which I've forgotten now) converting my Apple IIe keyboard into a real piano keyboard! Monophonic beeps of course. Couldn't figure out how to sustain notes at that time - so each note has a fixed duration when pressed. Managed to get one and half octaves of notes - because that's all the range my PC keyboard go... fun!
 
Eh tak fair..I need to lay forth my opinion as well. Nobody's going to read this anyway and I have time. Actually I don't but I enjoy wasting time.

For a start, "software incompatibility" is nonsense. A proper term is "hardware incompatibility". Blame the vendors who don't support open software solutions. AMD has done a wonderful job here by providing the Linux community with _full_ documentation and relevant code for ATI in order for developers to be able to write drivers. That's how vendors should be. Nvidia is starting to act more politely, thanks to the informal standardisation of OpenCL (not OpenGL). For the record, the Linux kernel supports more hardware than any other operating system in the world. It will run on your oven and PS3, and even drive your car. If there were to be an operating system for guitars, it'd be Linux.

Game publishers are never considering OpenGL's capabilities simply because of DirectX's gimmicks and the number of retards gaming on Windows machines. Blame them again for lack of games on Linux/Mac. It's not that they have no market, it's just that they're ignorant and are lazy to turn their heads. They started on one platform, they continue with one platform.

Document-sharing problems? Blame proprietary standards. You chose to lock yourself to a vendor. There are open standards, so if the masses do not want to aknowledge open standards simply because of habits and laziness, it's not the software's fault for being "incompatible". PDF is a good example of an open standard. ODF is its editable counterpart.

Software available in Windows not available on Mac? It's habit. Everything needs retraining. We trained ourselves since DOS, between each MSFT releases. The software consumer's has been played around with to the point that you actually grow accustomed to a product. This is a technique of monopoly. Apple is not innocent either. And Linux is not based on BSD. BSD is based on UNIX, Linux is UNIX-like. BSD is often cited to be a better kernel for servers, and Linux is inherently different though it shares similar security benefits.

If your business model is proprietary and is reliant on proprietary standards, software, etc, then stay that away and remain locked. As long as the money flows. If not, you have options.

For Linux Audio in particular, we know it's not "user-friendly" in the common understanding of the term. But it _is_, technically. It's as user-friendly as a Mac. The problems stem from the design decisions of software itself, like where buttons are and what they should be called, what feature x should correspond to, and stuff like that.

There's nothing to learn here, you just pop in a CD and start things up. It's just that there hasn't been a proper distribution for pro audio yet - all of them just package the pro audio tools and that's it. Well, that doesn't suffice. Granted, we know it's not ready for Hollywood, but it's ready for professional production. By professional, I mean real professional. Like Harrison Consoles with their Xdubber running Ardour. SSL hired Ardour's primary developer to work on it for a while as well. That should speak for itself.

If you just do podcasts or simple mixes of your podxt and a drum sampler and some synths, then Linux will suit you fine. It suits only two ends of a spectrum, not the mids. On the highs, it'll suit those in need of control and those in need of no-nonsense production without software being a burden. Most of you are in the middle. For now, it's a little non-intuitive with regards to setup as there's no unified method. This is in contrast to the 3D community where Blender practically reigns to some degree. It has even got certifications now, to a point where it's a free and dangerous competitor to 3DS Max and Maya.

Anyway, now for some seriousness. What would you guys like to see from a Linux audio workstation?
 
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Thanks for the insight, as always! Indeed, Linux has saved my organisation tens of thousands of dollars. And it's a steep learning curve, esp for me. Installing software is no longer just double clicking the .exe file. Updating software requires it to be in the resource list, and getting it there takes a little more than just a double click. Other than these, Linux is fast, uses way less resources, and the best of course, it's free. But I'm still hoping for more technical support on our site. We're starting a Linux server network next week - and I shudder to think I (non-IT guy who's job is something else other than IT) may have to be the person providing support until they could figure how to do it by remote.

As for a Linux DAW, key will be ensuring all VST plugins are compatible. Midi and audio recording are simple stuff and most of the time, not much problems. Plugins are everyday day bread and butter tools and I'm unsure how all of them fare within Linux. Next is audio interface drivers. The other of course is to use more than 4GB RAM in 64-bit. Not sure if that's already possible within DAW in Linux.

Looks like we need to change the thread title to Mac vs PC vs Linux. Actually better still, gutturalpiss, you should start another new thread dedicated to Linux DAW. I don't think many people had done it other than you. :)
 
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