Lead Guitarist that only wants the name

[rockito]

gutturalpiss, the topic is not disappointment not being chosen for whatever reason or why im not chosen, can't let it go, won'lt let them go etc. please read and understand every statement and question made by me. im not ranting and im not angry. Please try to understand the tile of thispost. Dis is a discussion.

in short, my point is im against this kind of mindset.

 

[fgl]

Interesting post. I guess its due to insecurity. The Alpha Male guitarist will wanna protect his turf.

Sometimes, for really "big" gigs or shows - Retro Groove will include sesssionists (extra singers / keyboardists and guitarists). I have a pool of guitarist kakis and I make damm sure the dude I select to play guitar as our add on sessionist:

1. Knows whats he / she is doing (minimal coaching)
2. Takes 90% of the solos - thats what a session guitar player is for.
3. Acts as part of the band and not try to act "one up superstar".

2 cents

 

[Ized]

rockito, have you ever considered that since you are joining a band that has alr has a lead player, you shouldnt try to outplay him immediately? if i were you i would instead try to complement his style. teamwork is bloody damn important in 2 guitarist bands. just think iron maiden or judas priest.....its give or take....and maybe when you guys jam new stuff, he'll like you take a solo and it'll be your chance to shine.

even in a band, it takes such politics. but well, too bad if you wanna make things happen

 

[rockito]

the band wants sumbody who can play both rythm and lead.

 

[cliffburton]

'Sometimes its not the skill or how well you play, its abt the chemistry, if everything goes well you go ahead and do it' - Slowjaxx, Stone Revival.

Food for thought.

 

[Ized]

what i meant was taking a step back and playing less for a start. After all, it music first, and we've also got social issues to understand first as well.

 

[Aki S. Ian]

oh well, if you always seem to have the same problem, maybe try looking in the mirror?
or, you can always go solo...
i know a few friends like that...

 

[theunknown]

yeah me too. a few of my frens gone solo...hmm...late jimi, satch...man...the old days...sobs...

 

[rockito]

i didn't outplay him immediately. where u got this from ized? pls dont assume. read my posts and understand. don't add facts anyhow. and what about too bad i wana make things happen? another assumption? the discussion is about "read the title".

this is my 2nd time Aki. Its just my observation. No prob with me. Im normal and sane. The rest of the auditions are all fine ppl...fine bands that i respect.

 

[Plastic]

Have u been for an audition for a guitar slot and then the guitarist ask u to play what he plays? he's aware that you're many times better than him but only ask u to play rhythm for the band. You know if u play lead u can create better melodies out of simple note for note lead/fill-ins that he plays. I can even play lefthanded better than him. Then he said he'll call u but he never did becoz he wants to be the lead guitaist for the band. WTH.

To me, a guitar player is a guitar player. There is no such thing as lead guitarist or rhythm guitarist/ 1st guitars and 2nd guitars. Just give the name guitars and then whoever create the solo/fill-ins he play the lead lah for that song. why got such ppl like this huh? Why cant just give and take. Share and care so can learn from each other?

I guess nowadays the trend is all about glamour.

Since you're so anal about assuming, let's see.
You went for an audition, which means they already have the set-up there. So he probably is the lead guitarist already? I mean if you're better than him, then yeah, so what if they didn't call you? The lead guitarist can always be less technical then the rhythm? Why are you assuming that the Lead Guitarist has to be the best guitarist of the band?
Oh, on the audition part, maybe someone better or someone who could click well with them got the part instead of you? You're assuming that he didn't pick you because you were so much better than him? That's alittle insecure.

Just pointing out some stuff here, peace.

 

[Ized]

of course i did read your posts la if not why would i even be posting....pfft....

i am just offering my suggestions since you posted your delimma here. if you think i assume too much then fine lor. Just trying to help. you also dint really paint a very clear scenario of your situation in the first place, so you left me with no choice but to assume.

BTW, my point isnt really about you outplaying him immediately. That was only one of the points i touched and you finally clarified, thank you! im talking more about social issues. More about how the band feels about your playing and that kinda stuff and what you can do to complement their style of music that is already in place. They already have a lead guitarist, and even though he may be technically less competent, but hey, if it works for them, there's a saying that says, if it aint broken it aint need fixing right?

So in hindsight, you may wanna consider these issues in future hope that helps.

 

[rockito]

plastic, u said he'll probably is the lead guitarist already. another assumption. pls read my post and understand. i said he's looking for a player who can play both rythm and lead. anyway, this is not the point. the discussion is about something else.

u said so what he didn't call me. so nothing happen becoz he wants the spotlight on him and let it be. anyway, i dont wana play with that kind of guitarist. i posted this to discuss and get your views on the topic ppl. not to tell u that im having a problem. i dont have any.

"The lead guitarist can always be less technical then the rhythm." Yes, anybody can play lead. I did not make any comment on this in my first post.

"Why are you assuming that the Lead Guitarist has to be the best guitarist of the band?" i did not assume. read my post carefully. i said im better than him and that's it. did i say im better than him so im the one who should play lead?

"maybe someone better or someone who could click well with them got the part instead of you? You're assuming that he didn't pick you because you were so much better than him? That's alittle insecure."

I know the story better. pls dont assume. anyway the discussion is about something else. understand the topic pls.

ized, what dilemma u talking about? im having a dilemma? and im not there to fix anything. what u guys talking about.

 

[rockito]

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[Plastic]

plastic, u said he'll probably is the lead guitarist already. another assumption. pls read my post and understand. i said he's looking for a player who can play both rythm and lead. anyway, this is not the point. the discussion is about something else.

You didn't say that in the start. Point discussed in previous posts.

u said so what he didn't call me. so nothing happen becoz he wants the spotlight on him and let it be. anyway, i dont wana play with that kind of guitarist. i posted this to discuss and get your views on the topic ppl. not to tell u that im having a problem. i dont have any.

No problem, just that you're also assuming that he wants the spotlight, maybe he found someone else? You're assuming his character, and getting views on him which may not even be true? I have no problem either, just pointing out really.

"The lead guitarist can always be less technical then the rhythm." Yes, anybody can play lead. I did not make any comment on this in my first post.

"but only ask u to play rhythm for the band"
It was because you kept saying you're so much better (not doubting you) but he only wants you to play rhythm, thus this means you're saying the better player should be lead. which again, later you said there are no lead guitar/rhythm guitars. And how good solo/fill-ins are, are all personal opinions, different people have different likings.

"Why are you assuming that the Lead Guitarist has to be the best guitarist of the band?" i did not assume. read my post carefully. i said im better than him and that's it. did i say im better than him so im the one who should play lead?

Previous post. and:
"Then he said he'll call u but he never did becoz he wants to be the lead guitaist for the band. WTH."

I know the story better. pls dont assume. anyway the discussion is about something else. understand the topic pls.

Yeah, but we're all posting based on what's here.

Again, no malice intended. Peace.

 

[rockito]

i know the story better and im not assuming. i know the facts very well. coz my fren is in that band so no point u include 'maybies' in your statement. coz me and my fren know better. i whats up with u plastic? did i offend u in anyway? or is there any emotional touch readin this thread? i shall not join u ruining this thread any further. the discussion is about Lead Guitarist who only want the name.

 

[rockito]

"you also dint really paint a very clear scenario of your situation in the first place, so you left me with no choice but to assume."

"You didn't say that in the start."

has nothing to do with the title. its not about me or im having any dilemma or problem. its a discussion bout these kind of weirdoes who want fame and glamor only. they are not to some of u guys but sori to me they are.

 

[fuzztremecho]

=rockito

Its always been a norm to equate a leadman as the most musically inclined member of a band
with this factor..its normal for leadman to be in the limelight..its an ego-trip for some
"he who is lead gets the babes"

usually in a band context..ppl will look for a good frontman,then a good leadman..its a hierachy kinda thing
+ pts if the frontman is also a leadman ala SRV,Jimi,EC..etc to name a few..
GNR for example..common folks will know Axl and Slash..Rolling Stones..Mick and Keith..

its prob for this reason most fretboard wizards doesn't work well in a band per se context..Vai/Satriani/Malmsteen..

 

[Ized]

i am merely trying to let you see things from a different perspective. Believe me,i've been in your situation before, so i am merely offering you some suggestions and a different approach. i used dilemma as a figure of speech, so my sincere apologies if it caused confusion on your part.

and, with reference to the so-called "weirdos", i don think such people are wierd. such people are just about everywhere, like e.g your workplace or school. Not just in a band context.

 

[neuro182]

"you also dint really paint a very clear scenario of your situation in the first place, so you left me with no choice but to assume."

"You didn't say that in the start."

has nothing to do with the title. its not about me or im having any dilemma or problem. its a discussion bout these kind of weirdoes who want fame and glamor only. they are not to some of u guys but sori to me they are.

seems like u got issues with meanings and defintions and u can go the length to impose ur points..

from the defintion of guitarist/guitar player all the way to thinking that lead guitarist just wants the fame and glory.. do u think they want it so much? who are you to judge?

have u been in their shoes? played their stuffs? understand the pain of figuring out melodic solos to fill in the gap?

or are u just here shooting ur mouth off and generalizing all lead guitarists are the so-called weirdos u call and recognize as?

dude, with all due respect, go and get a life because you seriously know nothing about playing in a band and all u do is judge people.

study the law and be a judge urself

 

[rockito]

did i say all lead guitarists want fame. where did u get that?

i've been in many shoes. i've got 9 yrs of experience playing guitars, creating melodies.

"or are u just here shooting ur mouth off and generalizing all lead guitarists are the so-called weirdos u call and recognize as?"
where did u get that?

"dude, with all due respect, go and get a life because you seriously know nothing about playing in a band and all u do is judge people.

study the law and be a judge urself."
why i seriously know nothing about music and why did u say all i do is to judge people?
this is an accusation.