Kawai, Yamaha or other brands?

nosepicker Posted

Have yu considered getting a 2nd hand piano?
Thanks for the suggesstion. I did went around looking, but usually most of the 2nd hand piano are very old.

DoubleBlade Posted

The piano parts come from European countries BUT the piano is assembled in China.
Yup, thanks for the reminder. That was why I suspected the german brand my friend bought is under this category. Usually these pianos are cheaper.


piano_ex Posted:

i graduated this year, are currently just waiting for my graduation ceremony (but start working already .. thank GOD! .. hehehe)
Congratulations!! Thanks for taking time to answer my queries. It's the steinway grand in the small theatre on level 5, she said the touch was fantastic. She looks forward to the master class becasue of this :roll: .

OK, if it's a babygrand, I can only afford the kawai. Yamaha babygrand was over $18000.

I will wait for your pm for your email addy. :)
 
oh, THAT steinway ..... =)

i'm ok with that one, not really my fave ... hahaha ... I'd prefer the yamaha one there in that room ..... the steinway last time when i was still there, it didn't get good treatment so the temperature change kinda ruined it. And it was not seasoned, very rarely played .... that's why the sound didn't project well also ...

i've pm u my email address...
 
..... the steinway last time when i was still there, it didn't get good treatment so the temperature change kinda ruined it. And it was not seasoned, very rarely played .... that's why the sound didn't project well also ...

oh....dat means my china piano has really terrible touch/sound. My gal is so in love with that steinway. Cannot imagine if she has a chance to play on that concert grand you mentioned... :roll:

Btw, Yamaha just called me and said they are not able to let me try on the specific piano that I'm buying. They can let me try on the same model in their show room. He is making arrangement for the GC1 to be display & tune. I will give both kawai & yamaha a last and if the yamaha sounds better, I will have to dig deep into my pocket.... :twisted:

Thanks for your email. :)
 
All this talk about pianos is making me crave for one. Upright cos limited space maybe when I'm free i'll check out the Kawai K3 K8 vs the Yamaha U1 and so forth.

At the same time I might consider a top range CVP clavinovas.

Aunti Let us know how it turns out.
 
Clavinova? I think it's nowhere close in comparison to a real piano. It's got too much fluff in it (all those rhythms etc). If anybody want to consider a digital replacement for a piano, I just came across the Yamaha Modus H01.

http://www.yamaha.co.jp/product/epiano-keyboard/modus/h01/

No fluff. Real wooden keys. This will probably be one of the closest you can get to a real piano. Not available in Singapore or the west. Only in Japan, and surprising Hong Kong (Tom Lee). The other one with good touch is the higher end Roland digital piano with both wooden keys and escapement. Few other digital pianos have wooden keys. Of course, the other is the Kawai MP8, but there's no internal speakers.

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I'll be in HK in July. I'll see if I can try the Modus in Tom Lee and give a review in SOFT.
 
the top range clavinos have wooden keys too. the CLPs dun have the rhythms only the CVP does.

The modus just comes with a super design but sound wise they all share the same soundset
 
i got kinda piss with those yamaha sales personnel they seems so uninformed of the MODUS. it was even up in their yamaha website and they just like act blur about it.

well yea the CVP does offers the wooden keys but only for the top model only which is the CVP 409 is it? the touch of it is indeed good! very very good. the MODUS might not cost as much as the CVP if you look at the specs.

i was thinking of changing my acoustic piano to the CVP ones, the touch for my higher frequencies seems very much heavier. and its very irraiting when you could not resonace it. and also the sustain pedal didnt work, the one who sold the piano laugh the case off saying it was impossible. it wasent after months of calling that they agree to fix on it. and indeed there was something wrong with the sustain. It was a christophric series. i now have phobia against anything that goes with christophric hehs.

i didnt tried the piano that time my mum brought it, she brought my sister along and they were offered the display piece which they tried on but my mum thinking the display piece was lousier rejected it for the new one. i didnt play that acoustic piano much .

however when i sank my hands to the CVP309 today its very much excellent in touch, maybe i was lost in touch for months already. but the sounds from the sample sounds great and they were infact in discount now costing about 6000 , the actual was 8000. it was their clearence sale, and i bet their next sets will be the MODUS. and the newer versions of the CVP (they claim it was CVP409).

both the MODUS and CVP would be great if you are looking for the authetic piano touch. : ) and sadly the CVP 309 are only left with the rosewood colours ones, i wanted the ebony ones or i will grab it straight away. yamaha decline to bring in any of the 309.

i guess my only hope is luther then ? :( hmmms.

well back to the thread, i feel an investment is needed, but a wise investment should be noted of course, digital piano's or the CVP 309 clavi's, does matched up to the acoustic models or even so much more better when you are comparing the way it sounds. i do not dare to say touch of course. but if you really did try the CVP 309 i could assure you its authetic enough to pass of as the maybe above average acoustic piano's now.

its really lucky to play in a steinway or any famous piano like the bosendofer or the yamaha C1. i feel having a 10000 SGD piano to play with since young is very much of a privellge. and well who dont hope best for their children right : ). 10000 SGD is indeed alot of money, for me i could have spent it all on samples :P oh maybe a good pre amp.! (okay out of topic) but what i mean is 10000 is alot of money, so you should be careful when you are picking the final piece. :)

good luck!
 
zenguan, if you're considering the CVP, I would suggest you also to consider the Roland digital pianos. With escapement build in, they feel amazing. Furthermore, the Roland piano sound is way better than the Yamaha's.
 
thanks cheez trading off the old acoustic model would give me about 3K to spare, so yep will take a look around. : )
 
aunti ...... sorry that i haven't been here for a long time ...

but i'm concern regarding yamaha's way of dealing with things....

if u can't try the specific piano that you will get, then don't get it.
tell them to be real ... how can you buy something that you haven't tried or even see ....

it's like an arranged marriage ... -_-"

hu wants it nowadays?
 
btw, that modus really IS pretty ...... i will considering to get one if cheez's review is good ... hehehehe .... and it won't take much space in my room i guess? =P

ah ... zenguan ... ur case is DEFINITELY what i scared will happen to aunti if she can't try the specific piano that she'll buy .... they'll just give her sucky ones ......

aunti ... if u really need my help, i can see when i'm free ...
can go down with you there ... or can call that stupid yamaha people

will scold them until they die ah ... dun let me try the thing that i wanna buy

LOLX
 
Piano_ex going to help aunti (aka kiasuma) try out the piano is the best solution this particular thread had been discussing about.
 
Modus is approx 735000 yen which is approx = 9324.04 singapore dollars

Might be a 'little' tight for some :)

If not for the aesthetics, the CVP309 is a gd deal now. unless you wanna wait for the latest tech - 409

The CLPs r generally more advanced in terms of piano sound eg, the CLP280 has the same 4 steps of dynamic sampling as the upcoming CVPs

So if not for the Rhythms, you can experience superb piano sound with the CLPs(cheaper)

As for Roland's piano sound , it may be personal taste but Do try the high end clavis cos the IAFC tech. and speaker system really enhances the piano experience

Def. agree tt if you cant try the piano before buying... screw them upside down. Seriously ha ha
 
the MODUS is that ex?! i thought it would fall btw 2K price range judging from the specs given. maybe i read the wrong specs. well but anyway MODUS is not out yet so i shall not comment.

the CLP309 is indeed lovable but since yamaha do not have the ebony ones already i am curious where else could i still get stock for it HMMMS.
 
zenguan, i guess specs is not all the thing involve in modus ..

whereas the electronic stuff maybe the same, but from the look at it ...

modus is a more classy entry and my guess is they're using real wood ... =)
 
orh!!! modus is designed according to harpsichord!!!! .... or may i say, clavichord to be exact? ..... cuz most of harpsichord doesn't looked like that ...

NEAT!!! ... pretty and elegant ....

ah .. but i guess .. if we're discussing about touch, yamaha got one really a grand piano touch ... GranTouch .... it's just like cutting a yamaha grand piano and puttin a digital sound inside ..... so the keys are all really yamaha grand touch ... hahaha =)
 
ah .... where to try those yamaha CVP and CLP ya? .. the high ends one ... =)

i wanna try the one with real wood keys ... woohoo!

i'm a classical pianist soo long ... so i really longed to play only on pianos alongside a synth ... (LIKE HIROMI!!!)

actually .... semi-weighted keys ... can hurt my fingers ... as they can't cushion my finger strength at all ... and my finger just go pyak at them .... -_-" .....

haiz ...... piano!! anata wa aishiteru!!!!!
 
zenguan88 Posted:

10000 SGD is indeed alot of money, for me i could have spent it all on samples oh maybe a good pre amp.! (okay out of topic) but what i mean is 10000 is alot of money, so you should be careful when you are picking the final piece.

good luck!

Thanks zenguan88! I needed that well wishes! This decision making is driving me up the wall. The 10k can actually buy me 1694pairs of $5.90 sandals that I'm using now. Even if I get myself a new pair every month, 1694pairs will last for 141yrs :lol: :lol:

piano_ex Posted:

aunti ...... sorry that i haven't been here for a long time ...

but i'm concern regarding yamaha's way of dealing with things....

No worries piano_ex. ^_^

I asked that sale person, he said they did that once, brought a teacher to the warehouse & opened up the 3 grand piano for her to try. In the end, she also can't tell the different. What this sale person trying to tell me is that all Yamaha makes are very consistance. The piano are all as good.

piano_ex Posted:

aunti ... if u really need my help, i can see when i'm free ...
can go down with you there ... or can call that stupid yamaha people

You are so sweet!!!! You must have heard my CRYING...lol....lol

OK, the lastest update. Kawai just call me this evening & give me a good offer for their GE 30 5'5 grand, which the sale person claimed that it's the better model than Yamaha GC1 5'3(cause he knew that I'm trying the GC1 tomorrow), the price is less than $18000. Something I dun understand, I did asked the kawai sale person before if they have any other grand to match with GC1, he said No. But now, dunno out of no where he said I can try this GE 30. *sigh....really dun understand them, they probably think aunti dunno anything...*

Piano_ex...Thanks so much for your great offer!!! I email you ok!
 
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