Kahler vs Floyd Rose

Floyd Rose -> Bird -> Locking Nut hahahaha like that illustration.

brilliant video, nothing short of that. learnt much.

i disagree with the "feel" part though. needing to apply lesser pressure is really a hit or miss, depending on the individual. some might find the Floyd's need to apply stronger pressure to aid in more gradual diving and/or pulling off.

lol and the fella strictly endorses Schaller Floyds. time for everyone to throw away their Gotohs? baah. doubt so.

good video nonetheless.
 
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TidesOfBlood said:
lol and the fella strictly endorses Schaller Floyds. time for everyone to throw away their Gotohs? baah. doubt so.
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Actually, I see his effort as a genuine attempt at comparison.

I don't think he has tried or knows about the Gotoh Floyds.

Forgive the man - several flaws in his presentation but overall, a good work because he did address and bring out pretty important points.
 
leecs said:
Cow, have you tried Ibanez Edge Zero tremolo? How does it compared to the Floyd?
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That's would be the 2008 model?

Nope. Have not.

I didn't like how the roller bearings of the ZR trem felt though... too smooth, too easy to move - I found doing subtle vibrato (e.g. doing chords) when performing say... live or some stressful condition... difficult because it was just too smooth. Surprisingly, the ZRs I've tried didn't feel as responsive as the traditional knife edge approach.
 
Fixed bridge lah.. No hassle..
Hahaha.. Too bad Floyd is a pain-in-the-ass whilst restringing, and Kahlers go out of tune when the strings are bent..

Oh well, stick to my fixed bridges for now! :mrgreen::mrgreen:
 
What makes brands like gotoh better than stock FRs that come with the guitar? Stability? I always thought it depends on the spring tension
 
wasp said:
What makes brands like gotoh better than stock FRs that come with the guitar? Stability? I always thought it depends on the spring tension
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QC, quality of materials.

All these affect stability.

Any instability on a locking trem system is... unforgivable. Its locking so it keeps in tune!

Nothing to do with spring tension - spring tension has more to do with setup.
 
actually springs do play a part.
i've heard of springs gradually losing their tension/elasticity, so basically not being able to return to zero, until the springs basically just die.

some ppl out there swear by the OFR springs.
gotoh also have something called 'power springs'.

both of these will probably maintain proper spring tension until u die :P
 
does anyone noe about how PRS tremolos fair? tried searching up but cant seem to find any videos or posts

does kahler like the FR have the problem of not being able to change tunings easily? that is really the major put off for me

if both kahler and FR has that tuning problem id rather go for PRS if PRS can do all those whammy tricks decently w/o going out of tune or getting damaged or being limited in ability, even if it does lose out to fr and kahler in terms of those aspects, but is not exactly BAD, id rather go for the PRS in terms of tuning versatality and convenience
 
nysk said:
does anyone noe about how PRS tremolos fair? tried searching up but cant seem to find any videos or posts

does kahler like the FR have the problem of not being able to change tunings easily? that is really the major put off for me

if both kahler and FR has that tuning problem id rather go for PRS if PRS can do all those whammy tricks decently w/o going out of tune or getting damaged or being limited in ability, even if it does lose out to fr and kahler in terms of those aspects, but is not exactly BAD, id rather go for the PRS in terms of tuning versatality and convenience
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I think you're looking at it from the wrong point of view.

The Kahler and FR were constructed from an "extreme" tremolo point of view.

That limitation of the FR in changing tunings = the nature of the beast. Yet, its regarded as one of the most, if not THE MOST, stable trem system out there.

Actually, any fully floating trem system will not take alternate tunings by virtue of the system itself - with the exception of the steinberg transtrem.

I think the "tuning versatility" and "convenience" argument is rather blown up. If anything, only a fixed bridge gives you 100% of both.
 
Everdying said:
gotoh also have something called 'power springs'.
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I don't know what they are - do you have a link or something?


I know there are 2 common spring lenghts. 44mm and 41mm - i think these are the measurements. The shorter spring has much more strength but it is also quite a bit stiffer so it affects the trem feel a lot.
 
so the kahlers do not support alternate tunings?

but the prs does not falter when doing alternate tunings and is reasonably good enuff for 'extreme' yet occasional usage right?
 
nysk said:
so the kahlers do not support alternate tunings?

but the prs does not falter when doing alternate tunings and is reasonably good enuff for 'extreme' yet occasional usage right?
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I don't think you get my point - any floating trem system will not support on-the-spot-change alternate tunings.

Isn't the PRS trem floating? I see people on forums asking how to block it.



I can do a floyd rose EVH style - dive only. This is not floating. The floyd rose trem block rests on the guitar body. I can then alternate tune all I want.
 
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