Is there a local music scene

AverRal

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And where is it?

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Recently i dropped bass guitar because i couldnt find like minded individuals who want to create a new style in music and travel around the world.

Another friend of mine has decided not to pursue his dreams of becoming a professional drummer because of the lack of opportunities available in this country.

There are probably a few thousand more similar cases like this going on in the local music scene, talents dropping out after giving up hope of any signs of advancement in this industry.


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Lets discuss...


(intellectual discussion appreciated)
 
Some people did try something but only a minority listens to them.. It's whether they like it or not..

Just like my music.. A handful like it, but others don't support..
 
This is quite predictable in Singapore's context.

Firstly, you have to put into consideration the size of Singapore. With such limited resources, the Singapore Government is quite unable to dedicate a large amount of funds to developing Singapore's music scene.

Secondly, it is common for Singaporeans to have a life planned out for them. The education system in Singapore practically stacks responsibility onto your shoulders. You can't find an easy way out of it. Just take note of the 4 main examinations each year, the pathetic amount of holidays you receive, how Extra-Curriculum-Activities are made compulsory and so on. Your main schooling years are too jam-packed that you can barely make time for music if you want to pursue stabilizing your academics foundation too.

So now you tell me, school doesn't last forever. Well, see, the males have their responsibilities prolonged by National Service. Women and men alike, would most likely to apply for jobs as soon as they've graduated or perhaps some even before that.

So all in all, the vicious cycle of Kiasu-ness still lives. Singaporeans would generally choose an education and career over their hobbies. Sometimes I think that all Singaporeans can see is money.
 
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i think NS liabilities alone really cut out the time in my youth where i was at my most creative and vibrant. now in uni i really need to carve out time to even just play guitar and piano, much less talk performing and travelling. but then again i would take the risk and step out if there were like minded ppl who are passionate enuff.
 
You mean musician are like bubble tea? Is there a need for a scene? Or even a market for it?

My dad always tell me, even when the economy is very good, there are people who become bankrupts. Even in the worst time, there are people who become rich.

It is only possible through hardwork, good offerings, opportunities and luck.

How bad do we REALLY want it?
 
i think NS liabilities alone really cut out the time in my youth where i was at my most creative and vibrant. now in uni i really need to carve out time to even just play guitar and piano, much less talk performing and travelling. but then again i would take the risk and step out if there were like minded ppl who are passionate enuff.
I've got to agree with your point. I myself am starting to face this problem and it is a serious one. One by one my band members are going into NS at different times in different years. Tell me wth can we do when each of us gets to book out every weekend... Jam a cover? Write a song?

This, together with the brain drain here are more and more people are going overseas to study and/or work... Sometimes, it makes us think again, why are we staying? For friends who're leaving? Bo pakeh!
 
Recently i dropped bass guitar because i couldnt find like minded individuals who want to create a new style in music and travel around the world.

Another friend of mine has decided not to pursue his dreams of becoming a professional drummer because of the lack of opportunities available in this country.

There are probably a few thousand more similar cases like this going on in the local music scene, talents dropping out after giving up hope of any signs of advancement in this industry.

I am curious as to what do you define as "like-minded", "opportunities" and "advancement" in each of the paragraphs you wrote.

I can probably understand the "like-minded" bit most. It is tough to share the same dreams, taste and direction already with two people, let alone with a group of individuals. Perhaps a similar vision can be achieved, but then you have to consider their commitments to their family, career and their own life.

But with the advancement of technology, it's already possible to create music on your own without a band to back you up. Album production is cheaper as teh market is flooded by competition. And with the internet, global reach is possible. You just need to know how to market yourself. That's the tough part. What makes you and your music stand out from everyone else?

"Opportunities"; this I disagree. Again, how do you define "opportunities"? Is playing for a club/house band or a sessionist for a recording artist, or playing in a whole host of gigs that's keep popping up nearly EVERY weekend is not defined as opportunities? There are plenty of studios which can record your stuff at reasonable rates. And who can forget LIME magazine? Look what have been created here ---> http://soft.com.sg/forum/music-kopi-tiam/52403-plea-help-all-softies.html

What is the kind of "opportunity" that you need, that would make you say "Ah, now There's and opportunity"? Perhaps specifically defining it in a clearer picture of this would help you find a route to achieve it. You can't go anywhere without first setting a proper (and REALISTIC) destination.

"Advancement"; again this I agree. I'm hearing local music being played more often on radio now. I'm seeing music icons being created on stage and tv. If you go to a cd shop, you realise that we are not lacking in local album productions. Yes, it may not be huge, but it is present. It may not be substantial enough yet, but it is significant.

There is a scene. There are like mindedness, opportunities and advancement. What is actually lacking still is AUDIENCE.
 
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well i guess the scene has been picking up recent yrs in my opinion and there r more support for local bands/music (audience wise).. we cant expect things to pick up within the next 5 yrs as most singaporeans r still having tt mindset tt we need to find job, make $, lead a comfortable life...

it's not uncommon for ppl to give up their interest, even in other countries.. as james has said, it's how bad u really want it.. and how much u would sacrifice or go thru to do wat u really love. it's easier said than done, but everything just boils down to how desparate u really really want it and how fast you want to get it... im not saying tt u have to aim to be a professional musicians within a yr coz not everyone is talented and we always have other stuff(school/work) to deal with in life..

since we all know that singapore is a small market, perhaps we shd reach out to international audience worldwide, as far out as possible thru various channels/means.. u never know what u're gonna get and who likes ur music...

back to the music scene, i guess we need at least 10-15yrs for the majority of singaporeans to love n support local music... it's not an easy task, but everyone of us cna start now n support local acts! educate ur kids and inform them of local gigs/acts performances... if everyone in SG does that, i dun see why the scene wun pick up in the future yrs to come..

btw, averval im interested in ur dream to conquer the world! =) dun give up!! we should stay in contact ya? i'll be heading back to SG in june perhaps we can meet up.. :)
 
It's normal over here to give up over things like that because singapore is small and musicians you can click with is a tremendous rarity.. I've been through all that; It's severely frustrating and it could go on for years and years..

But in my honest opinion,.. if you love music and playing music that much, you won't need a scene and you won't be disheartened when there isn't one for you. You won't stop looking. Or you'll just work around it, fall and pick yourself up, experience bad things and bounce back trying, just like any other aspect of life. You won't give up.

Maybe all these things, such as opportunities advancements luck support etc etc all this... They can change with a little more effort and a little more determination in trying to fight the urge to give up their passions...

It's the little things that make a change.. Like hanging out and bumping into a random gig and finding an awesome band.. or the mass media extending a little inch of a hand to spread local music... Or that hot chick in the band, but hey, they're music rocks too... All these random little things keep our "scene" alive. I didn't use to believe in, but when I got myself plunged in, I realised that there IS a scene, and it's there staring at us in the face. Unfortunately for some idiot reason, we just refuse to see it.
 
All i can say is don't blame the "scene" for your own failure of not being able to hold on to your instrument of choice.

If you love the bass enough, you wouldn't even quit.
 
It is true that as compared to other nations such as Australia, Britain or the USA, we're a much more artistically constrained nation. But what we have to remember is that Singapore is a nation that has grown up artificially. How? We've experienced accelerated industrial and economic advancement ever since we achieved independence. Much of the credit for this has to go towards the much-lambasted PAP(haha), but the aftereffects of this accelerated growth means that while our economy is First-World, our pyschology is still 2nd World. Most of our nation is still stuck in the mentality that the arts are a luxury only the upper-class can afford to indulge in. Don't believe me? Go to any heartland area and announce your intention of carving out a commercially viable career in music. Chances are, you will be met with contempt and derision.

It is unfortunate that this mentality is the prevailing one, because your thinking sets the boundaries for your world. What you believe is what you perceive, and what you perceive, you will set out to recreate. That's the reason why, even though our economy might be able to support people who want to pursue careers as muscians, painters, dramatists etc, very few actually have the determination to step out in boldness to achieve it.

But you know, so what? If rock and roll taught me one thing, it's that when others tell you not to rock the boat, you rock it even harder till it rolls, baby. Yeah, it might be tough. It might not be the lifestyle of glitz and glamour you see on MTV. But music is about soul language. And you might decide once that you're gonna throw in the towel and settle for something safer. I have no objections to that, but only you know yourself best, dear friend. Ask yourself. Will you ever be truly happy as a corporate lemming when inside you is the soul of a artist?

Yeah, our music scene might not be as developed as the Western nations. But I believe that giving up and throwing the towel will never get anything accomplished. Rock and roll is about revolution, about throwing off social expectations and constraints, defying boundaries to create the epic and legendary. No one would have expected black's music to revolutionise the world in the 1950s, but it did, against the overwhelming tide of massive racism, and subsequently paved the way for the entire music industry to be revolutionised. No one would have expected the Irish music scene to be this successful in the 1970s when the nation itself was in constant political and religious turmoil, but out of that conflict arose a young idealistic rock band from Dublin called U2 who believed with unshakable faith and set the tone for later bands such as Kings of Leon, The Corrs and even *cough* Westlife. And so on and so forth. Acts like The Beatles, Elvis, The Rolling Stones, The Ramones etc...all of them did what others said were impossible. To paraphrase Jesus Christ and adidas as well, impossible is nothing, friend.

Yeah, it may be tough. Yeah, the public opinion still stands. Yeah, public audiences still ostracise against local music. So? A good friend once told me, "You and me, we form the majority." And together, WE form the majority. Not with strength in numbers, maybe, but with strength in hearts. The music scene here has never been as active in the past 15 years as it has been now, and it's only gonna grow.

Yeah, I'm no industry veteran and I'm no battle-hardened musician. I admit, I'm just a young boy with a dream. But I believe in that dream and so should you. So should all of us. Because if we do, we will all be dreamers, and then we won't be the only ones.

Rock on.
 
THOA, u seem to know everything..

tell me, when will the world end?

shld it have to arrive at that stage..
 
THOA, u seem to know everything..

tell me, when will the world end?

shld it have to arrive at that stage..

I never claimed to know everything. I just share what I think and I agree or disagree with what people say, that's all.

On your question about the world's end, the last date speculated was 1st January 2000. It didn't happen, so now people saying it's gonna happen on 21st December 2012, based on the ancient Mayan calender and an internet stock prediction programme called Webbot (or at least I THINK that's name of the programme, heh).

Do a search on this forum. I think someone posted a link to Youtube of a video about that "doomsday" date... :)
 
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I've been through all that; It's severely frustrating and it could go on for years and years..
This made me pause for a moment to think...

Cause it led to the bottom line question... Are we quitters?

If we are, Singapore's music scene will always remain stagnant.. If we aren't, then there's hope for progress.. Being pessimistic doesn't help, neither being overly optimistic because we'll be really let down if we expected ideal situations!
 
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Those of us who quits are already quitters. But with different individuals going through different factors in their lives, and at the pace local music is evolving, can you really blame some of us for quitting? We all know that time and patience is needed, but some of us, we can't afford time even (let alone funds).

But wouldn't you say there are more opportunities for the local scene to bloom than before? I kinda think that, to say that the scene is none existent, it's kinda harsh. Believe me, SG rock scene already has it going much better than, say, SG hiphop scene. Not that hiphop has any less calibre to bloom. Just that there is even lesser opportunities there, which is severely sad in the local music perspective...
 
growling soup should run for presidency. I swear with a speech like that, who the hell can resist?? haha
I FULLY agree with what someone on the first page said, that in fact the scene, music, global connection, everything is here and available. The ONLY thing lacking is the audience. Once i went to a switchfoot gig, fire fight was opening for them. And half the bloody crowd was like "get off, we want switchfoot not some sg band". Even one of my MUSICIAN friends said that. So yea its the audience man.. Once the audience sees that singaporean music can be held up high, this problem of a music scene of lack thereof would be solved.
 
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