Whitestrat
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How do I check on the capacitance of cables? Not like they list the farad ratings on the box do they?
Waitaminnit... Cables have capacitance? Where's the storage medium?
Is it worth to fix Orange Drop Cap?
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How do I check on the capacitance of cables? Not like they list the farad ratings on the box do they?
Waitaminnit... Cables have capacitance? Where's the storage medium?
PatheinRaindropMoe
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theres some info on lava cables site on cables capacitance and some other thingy, prolly worth a read. Other than that, there shud be quite a number of sites which has those kinda infos.
imho, most of the time, at the length of the cables that we are using(couple of meters and not many many 10/20 or more meters across a big stage, its prolly not too big an issue unless the cable that we are using is really sibey jialat(might not be a bad thing as well, since we can say that the tone is warm and jazz like, not bright and piercing
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imho, most of the time, at the length of the cables that we are using(couple of meters and not many many 10/20 or more meters across a big stage, its prolly not too big an issue unless the cable that we are using is really sibey jialat(might not be a bad thing as well, since we can say that the tone is warm and jazz like, not bright and piercing
Whitestrat
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imho, most of the time, at the length of the cables that we are using(couple of meters and not many many 10/20 or more meters across a big stage, its prolly not too big an issue unless the cable that we are using is really sibey jialat(might not be a bad thing as well, since we can say that the tone is warm and jazz like, not bright and piercing) .
Wah lao... chey... 40ft lah... Which translates to more than 10m of cable length. And it's in picofarads... At home only use 10ft somemore... In studios 20ft each side...
I seriously doubt that the cables used would negate any need of any form of treble bleed. AND, you can't project by lack of capacitance what's not already there. So, the treble bleed is still needed...
Haiz...
Got values to recommend?
Whitestrat
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Thanks. I asked because many site list their caps as 600V, 400V amongst others. And furthermore, despite having studied 3 years of electronics, I was never educated on voltage readings... Hahahaha... So I'm not sure how to intepret those values.
PatheinRaindropMoe
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heh, usually the bigger the value, the bigger the size. For geetar circuit, i think it look nice to have big big components, but for actual situation, its really overkill siah, its like using a big wok to steam bun, to contain my meepok, the heartland style, at $3.00 per bowl.
perhaps can try from 130pf all the way up to 680pf. The value which i used for some of my geetar is 470pf. If you wanna try the resistor in series/parallel with the cap, can try round the range of 150kohm, some values higher or lower as well(130k, 160k, 180k etc).
the info on the resistors with the cap can be found on kinman site, fender fdp forum and some other pickup wiring/modding forums.
Some of them wired it in parallel and some in series with the cap, the explanation for it also can be found in the forum as well. Paiseh, i cant really remember much of those, if wanna, perhaps can hop over there to check it up
lastly, if wanna try for fun, different value without soldering and desoldering the components, can buy component socket which picture, i posted in one of the oleng cap mod thread, solder the socket to the pot, so at any time, you can plug in the cap and see if it works with the geetar setup.
and if the value of the cap is finalised, then can prolly solder it to the pot. If too troublesome to remove the socket, you can solder the cap directly to the socket. This is a stupid way thou, but no worries, everything will still work, but not nice looking only
which i did before on some other circuit..
perhaps can try from 130pf all the way up to 680pf. The value which i used for some of my geetar is 470pf. If you wanna try the resistor in series/parallel with the cap, can try round the range of 150kohm, some values higher or lower as well(130k, 160k, 180k etc).
the info on the resistors with the cap can be found on kinman site, fender fdp forum and some other pickup wiring/modding forums.
Some of them wired it in parallel and some in series with the cap, the explanation for it also can be found in the forum as well. Paiseh, i cant really remember much of those, if wanna, perhaps can hop over there to check it up
lastly, if wanna try for fun, different value without soldering and desoldering the components, can buy component socket which picture, i posted in one of the oleng cap mod thread, solder the socket to the pot, so at any time, you can plug in the cap and see if it works with the geetar setup.
and if the value of the cap is finalised, then can prolly solder it to the pot. If too troublesome to remove the socket, you can solder the cap directly to the socket. This is a stupid way thou, but no worries, everything will still work, but not nice looking only
PatheinRaindropMoe
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nah, the sig is some words utter by a booteek pedal maker it seem, from some argument in some other forum. The arguments in the pedal making circle is pretty happening and funny at times..
PatheinRaindropMoe
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oh hey bro strat white bro, if you are worried bout the loss of high end from long cable and stuff, the treble bleed thingy actually wont help much in replenishing the loss cos most of the time, we wont be turning our volume knob down just to pump in the highs
if you wanna, can try either having pedals with buffer circuit in the signal chain . Buffer circuit is useful to maintain signal integrity along long cables, too many pedals that suck "tone in my finger" and make the sound dull and lifeless (put in simple form that is)
and if in the mood for making something, heres something which i think might help as well.(nope, i never did this one before, so cant really say how well it works). The circuit has pretty low parts counts and if really wanna do, shud be able to fit in some geetar cavity together with a 9v batt, and maybe can throw in a toggle switch to bypass the circuit as well
http://www.till.com/articles/GuitarPreamp/index.html
if you wanna, can try either having pedals with buffer circuit in the signal chain . Buffer circuit is useful to maintain signal integrity along long cables, too many pedals that suck "tone in my finger" and make the sound dull and lifeless (put in simple form that is)
and if in the mood for making something, heres something which i think might help as well.(nope, i never did this one before, so cant really say how well it works). The circuit has pretty low parts counts and if really wanna do, shud be able to fit in some geetar cavity together with a 9v batt, and maybe can throw in a toggle switch to bypass the circuit as well
http://www.till.com/articles/GuitarPreamp/index.html
Whitestrat
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No, I'm not using the treble bleed to compensate cable loss. That won't work. You can't add something that's not there with a passive circuit, remember? The treble bleed is for me to play with gain control, and not lose the highs when I roll down.
PatheinRaindropMoe
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heh, indeed, we cant add on something which is not there in the beginning, we can only allow whats available originally in its entire range to fully pass over...
oh anyway, if wanna choices, can try using a push pull pot as volume and 2 caps for the treble bleed thingy. More shall always be more! Less, is really still less, dont cheat ourself thinking that less is more
oh anyway, if wanna choices, can try using a push pull pot as volume and 2 caps for the treble bleed thingy. More shall always be more! Less, is really still less, dont cheat ourself thinking that less is more
Whitestrat
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oh anyway, if wanna choices, can try using a push pull pot as volume and 2 caps for the treble bleed thingy. More shall always be more! Less, is really still less, dont cheat ourself thinking that less is more
Honestly, that's exactly what I'm looking at. More like the Satriani set up... I just need to know what values he uses. That setup damn useful...:mrgreen:
edder
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the treble bleed circuit is just letting the highs thro when you turn down the volume knob. thats what it does, no magic.
Cable capacitance, huge impact on the sound especially highs. IIRC, an average quality cable capacitance are like 100-200pF/m or something like that. Lets say its 200pF, 5 meter cable would make that 1000pF or 0.001uF. That is a pretty huge value. You can simulate this by soldering a 0.001 from hot to ground, make it switchable. You'll hear a huge difference.
Cable capacitance, huge impact on the sound especially highs. IIRC, an average quality cable capacitance are like 100-200pF/m or something like that. Lets say its 200pF, 5 meter cable would make that 1000pF or 0.001uF. That is a pretty huge value. You can simulate this by soldering a 0.001 from hot to ground, make it switchable. You'll hear a huge difference.
Aki S. Ian
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im cathing no ball here