HELP on distortion tone & pedal arrangement.

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A newbie and plays metal. Currently soul searchin my tone. Not quite there yet but below is my current set up.

HELP!!
I need HELP but i dont know who to turn to. I love my GT2 very much but it sounds very stale as a standalone. Theres feedback when i use on a GAIN MODE on a marshall stack amp. So i bought a RAT2 but the tone isn't quite there yet. There's this hiss sound when both are activated. Do i need a noise suppresor (eg, Rocktron Hush, Goosonique Citrus). It seems like the LPB1 doesnt help too. Wanting to let the LPB1 go soon after i get that tone right. Is it my set up or pedal arrangement? i'm really bad at this. help.

CURRENT SET UP
Guitar(HB) > GT2(DIST) > RAT2(OD for coloring) > DD3 > LPB1(Boost for solo) > Amp

IN SEARCH OF
Something in the line of Meshuggah/Mastodon.

Thanks in advance.
 
Bro! whats your settings on your GT2 & RAT? U might have set the gain too high as it will choke your tone, hence the hiss or feedback. Check your amps & pedals EQ.
 
Meshuggah uses *gate* effect for that complete silence when the guitar is muted or not played ... this effect is found on a certain fuzz type circuit thus the term *gated fuzz* !

I am not sure if a noise gate type effect able to do that but as leecs said keeping your gain low u might be able to pull it off without feedback or noise !

The problem with *metal* mindset when approaching gear has been to go extreme either with guitar set up > drive pedal> amp gain !

For example, weilding a high output pick up, please reduce pedal gain or eliminate altogether ....and focus on the amp gain. (high gain amps come in handy here)
If you use a low or moderate output pick up then increase either the amp gain further or use mild od or boost for that kick with much control.
Most prefer a high gain pedal on a clean amp using guitar volume as a pseudo gain control ...thats what i do ...as it gives good control throughout.

Please take your *fav metal band* recorded material with some slack to fact that we don't know what went in on the mix ... :roll: or the fact even on live materials.
 
Got your pm. I'm not a very heavy player so I'm really not sure how much I can help. Hopefully subversion comes in and gives you some tips.

I can comment on the technical side of things though.

I love my GT2 very much but it sounds very stale as a standalone
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Staleness is hard to define, I'm not sure what the problem is, but the GT2 is a pretty tweakable device. I suggest keep experimenting with the knobs and different settings to see if it can achieve the sound you want. People usually only really get to know their drive pedal after playing many many hours with it.

Theres feedback when i use on a GAIN MODE on a marshall stack amp
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High pitched uncontrollable feedback usually means too much gain, or microphonic pickups. Try using another guitar or a friend's guitar and see if the problem persists.

There's this hiss sound when both are activated. Do i need a noise suppresor
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Hiss is always present in high gain setups. The signal is so compressed that any noise is multiplied to a high volume. Noise suppressors are the bane of most low gain and pure tone seekers. But they seem to be ever present in the rigs of the heavy metal bands I see in guitar magazines. Better to let someone comment on this.

Your setup is pretty simple so there aren't really that many things that can go wrong. Just go through the whole line.

Guitar, good pickups, properly shielded?
Cable, good quality ones?
 
current settings

GUITAR
SG COPY HUMBUCKER

AMP
MIDS: 12
BASS: 12
TREBLE: 2

SANSAMP GT2
LEVEL: 9
HIGH: 12
LOW: 3
DRIVE: 3

RAT2
DIST: 9
FILTER: 10.5
VOLUME: 2.5

*Presets are in clockface direction (eg. 12 o'clock = straight up direction)

Thanks for ur advice in advance. Really need somebody to teach me something bout pedals and guitar.
 
cables.

What kind/brand of cables are recommended for rugged use and can last quite a fair bit?
 
humbucker type ?
amp type ?

makes a big diff !!

i see that you are cascading two dirt types with their gain set pretty high ..no wonder its mushhyy
:wink:
 
amp and humbucker.

i'm using marshall amp and generic cheap humbucker originally from guitar.
 
Actually, why are you using 2 distortion pedals for Metal? Isn't one good pedal + EQ pedal good enough? :roll:

But honestly? I think your pickups are also the culprit.
 
I may be wrong here, but isnt the GT2 supposed to be an amp sim? Something that you feed to a PA system instead of a guitar amp? Maybe that's the cause of your 'stale' tone.
 
I read this thread and i find it very interesting.


http://soft.com.sg/web/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=34355&highlight=gt2
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Ok. This thread talks about cascading clipping stages in distortion pedals. Most distortion pedals have only 2 stages. So, if you use 2, then both would have relatively middle to low gain settings. But if you want high gain, then both at high gain would sound like mush.

On the other hand, a pedal like the MI Tubezone Overdrive alone has 4 clipping stages. More than enough. Don't forget, many amps have a high gain stage too. So wouldn't that be too many stages to manage?

But if you want a metal rhythm tone, I'd honestly advise you not to discount the MT-2 with an EQ pedal. Many guitarists use 2 pedals for 2 kinds of tones. Not just to cascade. For me, I use MI TZOD for lead, and TZ Crunchbox for rhythm. It's more than enough. :wink:
 
There's no best out there, depends on the sound you're looking for. I personally use AMT Fender Tweed Sound and Moen Buffalo.
 
There are "best" amp sims out there. Or rather, better ones.

E.g. Tech21 Tri O.D.'s speaker sim, used together with Tech21's analog modelling to give that whole "amp sim" package... is horrible. Try it. Line in to your computer for recording. It sounds dead and very compressed. I'll raise both eyebrows if anyone says, after comparing across various units, that the Tri O.D. is awesome for them.


That said, Mr Nickyseow, amp sims - some of the best are... Menatone pedals.

I don't need any certain amp sound/tone so I just go for speaker sims and the passive palmer PDI-09 is impressive. Much more dynamic and alive, compared to the above Tech21 Tri O.D. Bested a Tech21 Original and TRI AC too. Just better.
 
line 6 ....beat that !! 8)

This amp simulate thingy is kinda annoying ....15 years doin music i still dont get it !! :?
 
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