Do you Use Pirated Software?

mogui_666

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Hi guy,

recently i went across to country M and saw a few stalls selling pirated software. There are lots of music software like Reason, Ableton, NI, Cubase etc etc...I am so tempted to get all of them.

So the question is will anyone of you out there use warez? I mean, there are a lot of people around the world do that. I use to use warez but now i prefer to use freeware VST.
 
yeah well, I'd try before buy definitely.I admit I was "Peter Quistgard"'s Cool Edit for a while before I finally saved enough to own an original copy but there's tons of freeware VST out there, it's more like how you'd use them on your mix right? a good VST with poor settings would somehow lose out to a free VST with effective settings. I haven't found a good VST + good setting (no matter how you fiddle around you just don't get the sound you want) compared to my Cool Edit's customized vocal compression setting. took me 5 years to get it right haha.

20¢ worth.
 
My friend, your question is a moot question. There will always be people using pirated software - so your question is answered.

The real question is: will YOU use pirated software. Despite what many assumes (that everybody uses pirated software), that is not true. There are SOFTies here who don't use it (me included). And SOFT certainly does not condone piracy.

Musicians of all people should be the ones who understands the serious implications of the copyright law. How would you like if your music is one day "stolen" and used? VSTi and sample developers are constantly on the prowl to look for offenders since they are able to recognise their content being used commercially (some are "sound-marked") - and they are very aggressive in taking legal actions because their software are used by a relatively small niche of users (and so taking legal action is a good way to get more money). Don't ever go down that path.

If you intend to go pro or get your music produced, then all the more you should watch out. Once your music is out there in the open, developers can seek you out. I can imagine one day developers screening through youtube/soundclick/myspace etc to search for their contents being used and trace the user to see if they are using pirated versions. Why take the risk?
 
digihub00 - free = license-free.

Pirated is not free. If somebody steals a cell phone, that doesn't make the cell phone "free". It just make it stolen property.
 
Hi thanks for the good wisdom. I use to use pirated software because i have read some magazines praising all the expensive stuff. but after understanding how to use most of the freewares, i've find out that (like what blueprintstudios say) skill in using a software synth/ efx is very important.
 
When it comes to software, free does not denote cost. A computer application is a compilation of mathematical processes, thus proprietary software (and software patents) is like proprietary geometry (likewise geometry patents); nonsense. However, other forms of service and material that come with the software can have monetary and intellectual value, such as books and support. These "pirated" software are not "free", they are still proprietary but obtained free of cost.

Software for music production is slightly different from others, because they may be used for monetary gain on a large scale. That is why these professional music production software carry such high prices, but there are also (really) free alternatives available for the beginner, individual, and professional depending on your budget and/or ethical views. We consumers are in a paradox, we are kept in a paradox by the big players. Stealing is wrong, but at the same time dictation and misleading/hiding the truth (eg. a software monopoly) is also wrong. Furthermore, we are constantly kept confused and either way has reasons to prove no harm, hence a paradox more than contradiction.

We complain about "piracy" here and everywhere else. Piracy was initially used (and supposed to be) to refer to the plunder at sea, individuals stealing software are not pirates, they are thieves. But after complaining, we don't realise that we are treated as thieves FIRST, then customers later. Where did the good 'ol value of "the customer comes first" go? This is largely evident in the multimedia world, especially something called "DRM", and I'm ashamed of it. If I were to be a professional musician or simply a content creator, I'd tell myself that I'm getting into it knowing the risks. If people like my work, they will buy it. If they don't they won't. If they steal, they don't. The copyright practice today is horribly flawed.

Please stop stealing, and stop being a thief. Likewise, don't give in to dictators, don't complain when willingly taking risks.
 
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Disagreement with the current copyright laws doesn't nullify them. People may disagree that Singapore's law is too strict in disallowing street demonstrations. But nevertheless, people who disregards them still find themselves behind bars.

I see software the same as any other material one owns. If one cannot afford a plasma TV, he can get a simple CRT TV (by the way, I don't even have a TV!). It doesn't give him the right to steal a plasma TV. If one cannot afford Sonar Producer or Studio, there is always Sonar Home edition. And if he cannot afford that, there's always open source.
 
I think one of the main reason why people go for pirated stuff is to 'demo' the product. If it is good and not a waste of money, then i guess they would buy it.
Because there are many types of softwares out there and we don't know which is good. Worse, we might not know how to use them. So i guess demo is a good option before buying.
 
Temptation too great! Once a person had the software in his PC, the likelihood of deleting that would be low.

But I agree. Software developers should come up with demo versions - like most of NI's stuffs.
 
Disagreement with the current copyright laws doesn't nullify them...
Of course. However, for people to respect the law there needs to be the trust of a fair ruling. Would you like it if a retailer were to treat you as a thief first before letting you browse around his store?
I see software the same as any other material one owns...
Very true, that is why the above applies. Most software today besides open-source ones do not belong to you, so you can't own them, they are different from things that you can really buy, own, throw, dismantle, do whatever you want. Yet, many people take blind faith. For the thieves of software, it is always a game. There are many people I know who go with the saying "Pirated for life", they swear by these stolen goods, and this is fact that the current Copyright model is cause for totally reverse effects.

The demo thing, for many, it's just like saying "I downloaded anime to demo them, and I will buy a series when it is licensed." That never happens. But yes, there are those that are honest, but the numbers aren't overwhelming those that aren't that honest.
 
Browsing around a store is the same as browsing the internet - you can see it but you can't use it. To use a pirated software as demo is like saying to the retailer to let you bring home a TV, use it for a few days, and return it if you don't like it. Of worse, keep it if you like it!

But I'm still for software developers to give offical demo versions. That way, no one can argue that they download pirated software for demo.

Actually, the circle comes round. If everybody don't pirate, then software cost could be lower. Look at Emagic. Because of rampant piracy, they decided to stop their PC version of Logic and let Apple take over. People who loses out - honest people who pays hundred of dollars and can now no longer get support or upgrades
(and I'm still sore about that). Also, developers are coming up with more and more copy-protection - dongles after dongles, challenge-response etc. Do they stop piracy? Not at all! They still get cracked! Who suffers? Honest users who has to handle dozens of dongles on their limited USB ports. So I totally agree with you, gutturalpiss, that copyright appears to have reverse effects.

Well, I have no solution. All I can hope for (as an honest user) is for the developers to prosecute and hopefully somehow lessen piracy. We need to realise that software is not a basic need. We don't need to them survive - they are not food, clothings or shelter. If we can't afford them, we don't need to have them. I don't like the pricing of many software - and I haven't upgraded in years. But then I don't need them to survive. There are more important thing like food for my kids. Saying that it's unfair for the high pricing and therefore resorting to piracy makes no sense to me - it's still stealing irrespective of whether the developer is monopolising.
 
omg... do not use pirate copies or file share them. imagine ur music being pirated and p2p file sharing is giving away ur music for free? it is hardwork for ppl who are making their music.
 
Hi guys, i'm new to this forum. Nice to meet u all.

Sorry to reopen this thread but i was just wondering. Now with P2P rapidly spreading and covering their tracks while flirting around the edges of copyright law, what if you use softwares that are from P2P and require no registration, either because it is an old version (Mixcraft 2) or because the file downloaded had already been registered.

Would this still be the same thing?
 
If the file has already been registered, then it amounts to the same thing. However, very old programs sometimes become "abandonware" and therefore license-free. There are a list of these programs if you do a google search. But very old programs may not be what you want for your music/audio needs. Open-source software will be better supported.
 
I think there are many reasons against using pirated software that don't hold water - especially the ones which equate some ridiculously large (and mostly imagined) amount to revenue loss to it.

However, I don't support using/buying pirated software because stealing is stealing in whatever way you twist the context. To me, the biggest "cost" to anyone using pirated software is in personal integrity. I personally wouldn't patronize a professional/company using pirated software as that speaks volumes about their professional integrity.

If you're a home user trying to figure out your way around VST, I'd suggest that you consider open source software before you hunt for a pirated copy of the more industry common brand names. A good site to start at is http://www.opensound.com/ossapps.html - and one of the most popular ones is Audacity.

Or you could just hunt down a friend with garageband installed in his mac :)
 
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