Discontinued pedal mean more expensive?

[chapter2]

hi there all..
im sure most softies out there loves collecting pedals rite..
and i wanna ask everyone's personal opinion..
If a pedal is discontinued.does that mean it have to be expensive?
i personally dont think so but to each his own..but i had some bad encounters myself

Previously i was looking for a LINE6 VERBZILLA..
-a bro offered me $350!! just bcos its discontinued..i offered $250 and he said it was too low
-tonefactor selling at half the price
-i got the pedal from a nice softie at a REASONABLE price of $160


One more incident,i was looking for a BOSS DC3
-a bro offered $500 for this pedal!
-when i googled,i got one for half his price at ebay..
-he told me pedal is discon and good conditiion thus the price and added that the pedal online cost the same as his asking price

SO,my question is..
1)if a pedal is discontinued,is it supposed to be expensive?
2)for the above mentioned incidents,was their asking price reasonable?

no offence intended..just OPINIONS needed

 

[ShredAddict]

It's all about supply and demand I guess. That's how most MIJ Boss pedals can be priced more than it's original value.

 

[chapter2]

errrmm..just cos its MIJ bro?

 

[carboxymoron]

Yes, but not "just because" it's MIJ. For Boss, MIJ also means it's vintage, rare, and/or sounds better. Usually.

I think those 2 examples were unreasonable (I wouldn't have bought them), but those guys can ask whatever price they want. It's up to you whether the pedal is worth an inflated price depending on how hard to find and how badly you want it. Verbzillas are still common, DC-3 isn't super rare either.

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

mwahahahaha, there is seriously a lot of frogs who stay under the well and thinking the sky above their well is the whole world.

the rare pedals which some put on the altar, are just normal line of effects which were discontinued along the way.

 

[chapter2]

true la bro...u expect me to pay $500 for a second hand chorus pedal?might as well i get myself an eventide pedal rite?

 

[Godspeed64]

It's quite a stupid reasoning IMO. Just because it is DISCONTINUED, people ride on the bandwagon and price it higher.

Pedals get discontinued to 3 reasons:
1) Something better replaces it (Muza FD-90 to Muza FD-900, even the K.L.O.N Siberia)
2) Components can no longer be found (Skreddy Mayo)
3) Limited runs (200 WF Rats, 100 Catalinbread WIIO V1)

For the 1st case, it's downright bull to pull the marketing gimmick that is it being discontinued to price items higher. $350 for a Verbzilla? No thanks I'd rather get a M9 instead.
The 2nd depends on demand and supply. If said pedal has a following, then pedal value will skyrocket within one year. It's like crazy stocks.
The 3rd is all market speculation. Some people buy pedals just to flip on it (which is quite unethical, because those with limited runs are mostly small boutique companies that handmake their stuff one-at-a-time).

 

[wck]

Godspeed gave a pretty good breakdown of it.. In the end its all up to demand and supply, even pedals that are still in production like the KOT, timmy etc command high used prices. Discontinued can be a reason to increase price but it doesn't mean that the price must be jacked up.

Just to confirm. From what I know the WIIO v1 wasn't meant to be a limited release, it was because many customers complained it was too high gain or sth so they build a lower gain one. That kinda shifts it to the 1st reason haha. Lovepedal's unethical money making limited releases suits the 3rd reason perfectly tho.

 

[chapter2]

It's quite a stupid reasoning IMO. Just because it is DISCONTINUED, people ride on the bandwagon and price it higher.

Pedals get discontinued to 3 reasons:
1) Something better replaces it (Muza FD-90 to Muza FD-900, even the K.L.O.N Siberia)
2) Components can no longer be found (Skreddy Mayo)
3) Limited runs (200 WF Rats, 100 Catalinbread WIIO V1)

For the 1st case, it's downright bull to pull the marketing gimmick that is it being discontinued to price items higher. $350 for a Verbzilla? No thanks I'd rather get a M9 instead.
The 2nd depends on demand and supply. If said pedal has a following, then pedal value will skyrocket within one year. It's like crazy stocks.
The 3rd is all market speculation. Some people buy pedals just to flip on it (which is quite unethical, because those with limited runs are mostly small boutique companies that handmake their stuff one-at-a-time).

U broke it down nicely bro..well done!
kinda true...i rather get a M9 for myself

 

[skipper53]

Bro, DO NOT PAY MORE THAN 150-160 for a verbzilla! Ridiculous! Sorry I love my verbzilla, but it isnt worth that much for sure. This one falls clearly under category 1 in @Godspeed64's breakdown. please... for 350, i'd rather you wait a few days save another 50 and get a bsr! even if it is discontinued and what not.. no the verbzilla does't qualify for for jacked up "mojo" prices in my book.

 

[chapter2]

Agreed bro.. The way that guy texted me was as if his price was the cheapest ard. Very persistent. And im only using the verbzilla for the octo function. I depend on my hardwire rv7 for the reverb. And i'll b an idiot if i bought that $500 BOSS Dc3 from him..

 

[Godspeed64]

wck bro. The v1 WIIO was a limited run to test the market on the pedal before they fine-tune for commercial release. The pedal sounds different from the current v2 but is roughly similar in nature.

In a sense it is limited to 100 pedals, unless you would pay more to order from them a v1 as a custom shop request, which may or may not be done depending on the PCB used and manufactured for either versions.

Perhaps I should use another example, like the Blackout Effectors Dual Fuzz or something.

 

[wck]

Ah I see. So we're both bout half right haha. Sucks that some people try to cheat others with the discontinued and rare bait.. Good thing theres google to check for prices online.

 

[ShredAddict]

errrmm..just cos its MIJ bro?

The parts and the whole design is different. They don't make them the same anymore. That's why.

 

[zesn]

Anyone can hear the MIJ sd-1 and the MIT sd-1 difference?
It seems like people like the MIJ more.
But i can't seem to agree.

 

[wck]

Some MIJ boss have quite a huge diff from the MIT like the DS-1 and DS-2 but I think the SD-1, CE-2 and HF-2 are some of them that don't have a huge difference.

 

[carboxymoron]

Don't forget even MIJ have variations over the years, sometimes marked by different labels. And like any other pedals, components can vary in quality within the same batch. In the end MIJ just has a bit of mystical reputation for supposedly sounding better.

 

[Godspeed64]

If you tried my silver screw DS-1 I had you'd beg to differ yourself.
Lol it was night and day with an MIT DS-1 and even the newer MIJ DS-1.

Different clipping diodes used hence the totally different sound.

For MIJ SD-1 it's a few component swaps but not much difference. But tonality-wise, MIJ at performing volumes feels very vibrant and alive compared to an MIT. I'd take an MIJ SD-1 over a Fulldrive 2.

It all boils down to what you want and need. If an OD07DP Rat suits you better than a LM308 one then by all means go for it. If the MIT DS-1 rocks your socks off then use it.

 

[ymmak]

I have a MIJ DS1 silver screw and a MIT DS1. The MIJ DS1 silver screw really sounds different and better than the current MIT one. So that probably explains the high premium pple are willing to pay for some MIJ vintage boss pedals. However, as I acquire more pedals, I realise that even the MIJ DS1 silver screw pales in comparison with newer effects that are in the same camp but cost cheaper. Now, when I think about it in retrospect, I wonder why I was willing to pay such a high price for it. I still keep it to this day though I have not used it for a long time. I keep it for its collector's value, or for its hype.

Although it doesnt make sense for me to keep something that I dont use, it is not entire foolish, because it is likely that the value of the MIJ DS1 silver screw will continue to appreciate so that I may sell it later at a higher price. So it isnt totally bad that vintage or discontinued pedals are more expensive or continue to get more expensive. Treat it like an investment, you know, albeit an illiquid investment.