digital or analog?
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gargamelesp
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brundisium said:
hey! i couldnt agree more with you. Guitarists go through many phases i guess. One day its the, i want a combo amp cause its perfect for home use.
Another day its, oh my, give me that recto stack.
Same goes for effects, one day they might think that yeah, im an analog purist and dont want anything digitial in my signal chain, then realise that almost every great guitarist now has something digital in his setup and goes for it.
Can happen the other way around too. Imo, not many can tell the difference between well made digital stuff as compared to analogue. And most of the people who will be listening to the music that you make dont give 2 hoots what you are playing through so long as it sounds decent ( both tonally and songwise).
In summary, if you can afford it, yeah i guess you can afford to feed your fantasies and go all analogue if you cant stand digital stuff, but if you are strapped on cash and need something that will get you nearly there, the xtlive would do. Theres got to be a balance of everything.
The guitarist makes the gear sound good and never vice versa
brundisium said:
I'm sorry but I will have to disagree with you on this. From a budget musician's point of view, every single digital multi effect pedal I have came across in a live environment, be it gigging or in a studio, sounded absolutely horrible to me. I'm not talking about expensive rack mounted devices or what not, I'm talking about off the shelf sub-1k multi effects, the things a typical person would buy. I have never came across a pleasant sounding distortion from any multi effect before, but I always hear great sounding distortion from analog pedals.
And seriously, whatever that sounds good in my bedroom (actually living room) sounds better when I use it with my band. I use seperate pedals. And I would also like to draw an example from a band I recently left, where the guitarists set their multi effects at home, stating that they sound marvelous, but they simply sound like noise to me in the studio.
To me, digital multi effects are only good for beginners, who are lost and are not sure of what to use, and have no idea of what tone they want. As players advance they should learn about seperate effect pedals or seperate MIDI controlled effects, and learn to build up their own unique signal chain.
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Cavett
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A firm believer of gd tone is 80% fingers and 20% gear.. Digital or analog if u take ur time tweakin to find that sweet spot, I'm sure it makes no diff watsoever as long as it sounds gd in ur ears.. Plus to those who says digital distortion sux live and stuff, ever heard Opeth playe live?? PRS -> GT6 -> Clean channel to whatever stack amp they get.. Kick balls man.. Kick balls...
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digital is great for live too..
heard axed ministers live at simei b4? great sound huh..they use digital multifx..
some bands who use analog on dat day lose out to them..due to poor lack of tweaking skills maybe or lack of ear training :twisted: ..and those bands playing are experienced ones..
haizz..
so much forrayer: analog..
i tink the problem lies in ourselves..tone is not subjective to me..its actualli straight forward..
its either u got good taste or bad taste..dats all..
heard axed ministers live at simei b4? great sound huh..they use digital multifx..
some bands who use analog on dat day lose out to them..due to poor lack of tweaking skills maybe or lack of ear training :twisted: ..and those bands playing are experienced ones..
haizz..
so much for
rayer: analog..i tink the problem lies in ourselves..tone is not subjective to me..its actualli straight forward..
its either u got good taste or bad taste..dats all..
hmmm... you know audio, like what i said above, I really think that Digital modelling can excel in hi gain distortion tones. I would presume axed ministers use hi gain stuff right? Digital can replicate that well.
IMO, digital can replicate stuff that doesn't sound, or need to sound, warm and natural. Since when did a heavy metal, thrash, death metal or extreme metal band have distortion described as warm or natural? You get the point?
And saying that tone isn't subjective... i don't get it.. the people here in SOFT can give you a thousand and 1 reasons on why YJM's tone is good. And the rest of them will tell you a thousand and 1 reasons why its bad. Its only straight forward to the experienced individual who knows exactly what he wants.
IMO, digital can replicate stuff that doesn't sound, or need to sound, warm and natural. Since when did a heavy metal, thrash, death metal or extreme metal band have distortion described as warm or natural? You get the point?
And saying that tone isn't subjective... i don't get it.. the people here in SOFT can give you a thousand and 1 reasons on why YJM's tone is good. And the rest of them will tell you a thousand and 1 reasons why its bad. Its only straight forward to the experienced individual who knows exactly what he wants.
Gee I wonder what you mean by 'losing out' audio, I would understand if you said that the bands that used analog effects sounded absolutely horrible to you, but 'losing out'? Now what does that mean? :smt017 Not enough gain? Not scooped enough for your liking? Or maybe that band just played better than the rest? All these factors and you are mocking analog effects. Sigh.. If you didn't know already, digital multi effects are modeled after analog effects and amps. The high gain sound you hear on those pedals are modeled after mesa boogie rectifiers and similar amps, and these amps are analog TUBE amps. That's even more analog than a transistor setup, to put it in a crude way.
And seriously, what is of good taste to you may be of bad taste to someone else, and vice versa. It is still subjective. The world doesn't revolve around yourself, or your bunch of friends who think the same way as you do. It might seem to be, but in reality, it doesn't.
And seriously, what is of good taste to you may be of bad taste to someone else, and vice versa. It is still subjective. The world doesn't revolve around yourself, or your bunch of friends who think the same way as you do. It might seem to be, but in reality, it doesn't.
huh? so hi gain cant be described as warm and natural after all..now i know..
so wats the limit of gain so its valid to describe it as warm and natural?
maybe im juz dumb..nvm
as for tone, Yngwie is top coz people who love his tone > people who dont like his tone. same goes for Vai or Joe Satriani.
and Taufik batisah won coz Singapore says he got good 'tone'. too bad for those who dont like Taufik.
These people have good tone and dats final. its straight forward.
you got it?
so wats the limit of gain so its valid to describe it as warm and natural?
maybe im juz dumb..nvm
as for tone, Yngwie is top coz people who love his tone > people who dont like his tone. same goes for Vai or Joe Satriani.
and Taufik batisah won coz Singapore says he got good 'tone'. too bad for those who dont like Taufik.
These people have good tone and dats final. its straight forward.
you got it?
dude, im not mocking analog effects..im using it..
my point is even if u use analog, the tone still depends on the player.
and save those explanations.
and about tone again..haizz
i'll make it simple and straight forward again..
in a competition, there will always be ONE winner.
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my point is even if u use analog, the tone still depends on the player.
and save those explanations.
and about tone again..haizz
i'll make it simple and straight forward again..
in a competition, there will always be ONE winner.
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sanXp said:
wow its true..analog RULESS..woohooo
i got nothing against analog dude..see my previous post in page 1 dude..
im using it..
i even said for live situation, i'll definitely use analog..
i love digital as well..
c? im a good example of wat guitarist should be..hahaha
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