teleplayer
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Kurt cobain is on it...
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Classic rock/pop music and today's rock/pop music
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Kurt cobain is on it...
THOA:
Haha I'm not worked up don't worry, internet can't convey tone.
Anyway, technology is definitely a part of it, so what? How does that change the fact that music now is more interesting?
There was definitely interesting older stuff, syd barrett was definitely innovative and terribly underrated, frank zappa seems interesting too though i haven't heard much of his stuff.
Saying you prefer a genre is one thing, but faizal_rocks put it across more as a fact, than his opinion.
Anyway, music is music, the divide between old music and new music doesn't make any sense.
Haha I'm not worked up don't worry, internet can't convey tone.
Anyway, technology is definitely a part of it, so what? How does that change the fact that music now is more interesting?
There was definitely interesting older stuff, syd barrett was definitely innovative and terribly underrated, frank zappa seems interesting too though i haven't heard much of his stuff.
Saying you prefer a genre is one thing, but faizal_rocks put it across more as a fact, than his opinion.
Anyway, music is music, the divide between old music and new music doesn't make any sense.
When to find places where there are live Classic rock bands
Hi music lovers, there are are a few places where you can hear local bands doing classic rock music like Free,Bad Company,Deep Purple, Scorpions,Rolling Stones,Led Zepellin,Santana and Rolling Stones.
For real heavy classic rock you can visit Gossip, a pub located at the basement of Parklane. They do Rainbow,Dio and Deep Purple.
If you want to hear milder rock, please visit Terry's Tavern every Friday. This band does Bad Company,Santana, Steppen Wolf, Rolling Stones and Clapton.
Hi music lovers, there are are a few places where you can hear local bands doing classic rock music like Free,Bad Company,Deep Purple, Scorpions,Rolling Stones,Led Zepellin,Santana and Rolling Stones.
For real heavy classic rock you can visit Gossip, a pub located at the basement of Parklane. They do Rainbow,Dio and Deep Purple.
If you want to hear milder rock, please visit Terry's Tavern every Friday. This band does Bad Company,Santana, Steppen Wolf, Rolling Stones and Clapton.
Tetragrammaton
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I grew up in an era as a child listening to Ricky Nelson, Elvis, Bee Gees, The Osmonds, The Beatles, Earth wind and fire, etc...
In my teens I started to listen to Deep Purple, Led Zep, Black Sabbath, etc...But that's just the era of that time. I started music at a very young age. Singing some hindi hits of that time and playing guitar on those rock numbers.
If you ask me to compare music of the yester years and today. I'd say, the earlier music was arranged and played gracefully. The new music of today have nice tunes too but they are not arranged and played gracefully. But again, this is very subjective. Everyone have different preference and opinion. Whatever it is, it's nice to see young people really putting the effort of creating new music. Set aside our differences and see music as a whole or an avenue that we all enjoy listening and doing so.
Saluti!
Tetragrammaton
In my teens I started to listen to Deep Purple, Led Zep, Black Sabbath, etc...But that's just the era of that time. I started music at a very young age. Singing some hindi hits of that time and playing guitar on those rock numbers.
If you ask me to compare music of the yester years and today. I'd say, the earlier music was arranged and played gracefully. The new music of today have nice tunes too but they are not arranged and played gracefully. But again, this is very subjective. Everyone have different preference and opinion. Whatever it is, it's nice to see young people really putting the effort of creating new music. Set aside our differences and see music as a whole or an avenue that we all enjoy listening and doing so.
Saluti!
Tetragrammaton
PatheinRaindropMoe
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Heh, anyway, is it so difficult for geetarist to talk about music without bringing in geetarers? Can geetarist talk about music, in general, without talking about geetarers. solo and more geetars??
just observation somehow
just observation somehow
iwantdigimon
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haha, this feels like a GP lecture.. I think Faizal_rocks just wants to know if anyone likes the same kind of music as he does? I do! Let's jam some day shall we? 
imo, i prefer the music of the past - pleasant sound textured with tasteful lyrics, and brilliant imagery. I just find today's music incoherent, period.
imo, i prefer the music of the past - pleasant sound textured with tasteful lyrics, and brilliant imagery. I just find today's music incoherent, period.
THOA
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I have a friend who listens to nothing but hip hop. He lives and breathes it. Funnily enough he don't dress or talk like he belong in that genre. He He looks like a regular normal gut, a little nerdy with glasses and t-shirt and jeans, not the stupid fake bling blings and caps and all the yo yo yo's.
But yeah , he loves hip hop. Ask him to listen to something else... he just CANNOT feel for any of them. But ask him about the history and the scene and all the underground artists in the hip hop arena eg Aesop Rock, Talib Kweli, Jedi Mind Tricks, Army of the Pharoah, Immortal Technique, Jean Grey etc etc <--- (to Pathein, none geetarers here, heh :mrgreen
and he can give you the low downs of each one of 'em.Give him a mic, he'll be able to spit as well. In fact, he was one of my so called trainers in writing rap.
My point is that, just as how my friend feel about his hip hop preference as the one and only, I can somehow understand what Faizal_rock is saying. There are just some people out there who just have these one-type of music preference thing going on. May be a put off for some of us, but all the more power to them.
Also, neither am I against technology as well. I started composing stuff using a computer so I'll be the worst hypocrite if I say that music made through technology is not real music. But because it's so easy nowadays, unwanted repercussions happens to the art form, inevitably. Somethings are just lost along the way, and we kinda lost touch some of the things that we should have kept. A pity really, but cannot be help. Because of that some just stick to what is easy, and gets stuck in that format. But the ones who explore beyond the technology would usually have captured the art better. Probably one of the reasons why I took up an instrument is mainly to rediscover the art of music itself beyond the tech tools. No matter the technology, musicians will always look back to the roots.
But heck, still among the millions of bands and artiste now that can be easily accessed globally, only the very few stood out. Even among the dance/techno scene. Why? Some things just cannot be produced in ANY technology... like talent.
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soulalt
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the power of pop!
Ultimately, IMHO, it's got nothing to do with genre, technology, era or hairstyle - it's all really down to - does the artist/band have something unique to say?
So I do not discriminate between what time era so and so band comes from. Sometimes I come across a new band that blow me away (eg Fleet Foxes) or some band from the past that I've only just got into (eg. Felt) that I think are just geniuses, so labels don't happen.
I believe in this internet age, as music lovers we are blessed that we can listen to any band past or present with a mere click of the button and there's just no excuse for not knowing your music, if you love it that is...
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like i sed before too much to talk about...
Ultimately, IMHO, it's got nothing to do with genre, technology, era or hairstyle - it's all really down to - does the artist/band have something unique to say?
So I do not discriminate between what time era so and so band comes from. Sometimes I come across a new band that blow me away (eg Fleet Foxes) or some band from the past that I've only just got into (eg. Felt) that I think are just geniuses, so labels don't happen.
I believe in this internet age, as music lovers we are blessed that we can listen to any band past or present with a mere click of the button and there's just no excuse for not knowing your music, if you love it that is...
2 cts worth
like i sed before too much to talk about...
159
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Too lazy to read up on other comments, but I'll give my 2 cents.
I only discovered what you call yesteryears music probably about 5 months ago. Probably due to the fact that I play the guitar but that might be irrelevant. I love it(yesteryear music), but does not mean that I agree that nowadays music is totally crap. I do believe there is less quality but that does not mean there is no quality. Though it can never be matched up to music back then.
In the past, people wrote music with feelings. People discover new techniques. People created trends. People inspire. Those IMO are among the few things that people nowadays who listen to mainstream music fail to receive. People nowadays just follow and copy and make up stuff that eventhough sounds like crap to me, is nice to them.
Any arse on the street with a unique voice and can play all the major chords on any instrument at the same time will have the same publisity that all our yesteryear heroes/legends worked their butts off for decades to gain.
Music has become such an easy hobby, its like so simple to create something stupidly entertaining and a flash. And to top that off, many singers don't write their own music. They don't play their own chord progressions. They just stand infront of their 2000 dollar mike and sing their hearts out. (No offence though to those who feel affected because it is afterall IMO)
I pity MUSICIANS of the yesteryears for all the great work they have created, all the inspiration they have given me, all the time they spent creating great stuff that is sadly, unappreciated as much as last time. Thats why I'm more interested at looking at live performances rather than listening to some stuff that's been edited a million times in order to get that perfect rhythm and tone in a studio.
So to summarize it all up, I believe last time music > today's music.
I only discovered what you call yesteryears music probably about 5 months ago. Probably due to the fact that I play the guitar but that might be irrelevant. I love it(yesteryear music), but does not mean that I agree that nowadays music is totally crap. I do believe there is less quality but that does not mean there is no quality. Though it can never be matched up to music back then.
In the past, people wrote music with feelings. People discover new techniques. People created trends. People inspire. Those IMO are among the few things that people nowadays who listen to mainstream music fail to receive. People nowadays just follow and copy and make up stuff that eventhough sounds like crap to me, is nice to them.
Any arse on the street with a unique voice and can play all the major chords on any instrument at the same time will have the same publisity that all our yesteryear heroes/legends worked their butts off for decades to gain.
Music has become such an easy hobby, its like so simple to create something stupidly entertaining and a flash. And to top that off, many singers don't write their own music. They don't play their own chord progressions. They just stand infront of their 2000 dollar mike and sing their hearts out. (No offence though to those who feel affected because it is afterall IMO)
I pity MUSICIANS of the yesteryears for all the great work they have created, all the inspiration they have given me, all the time they spent creating great stuff that is sadly, unappreciated as much as last time. Thats why I'm more interested at looking at live performances rather than listening to some stuff that's been edited a million times in order to get that perfect rhythm and tone in a studio.
So to summarize it all up, I believe last time music > today's music.
hifi_killer
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I dont think it has anything to do with the quality of music. There are just as many crappy music in the past , its unfair to make this generalisation.
the increased in commercialisation of music can serve to make music blend and it can also serve as a quality control mechanism , its a double-edged sword.
Its just that somehow as musicians, because we play instruments, we tend to be have a bias towards music that is complex, and music from the past tends to be more complex compared to today.
so is it the case that complex music > simple music?
of course not.
Imoo, simplicity is good enough. Complex music is a turn off.
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zel
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nah i think its more of the people listening to the music.
like in the avenged sevenfold thread, i would like to think its because the fans who listen to modern music think that what they're listening to is all that without even taking a listen or appreciating classical rock like led zep, maiden, etc.
like in the avenged sevenfold thread, i would like to think its because the fans who listen to modern music think that what they're listening to is all that without even taking a listen or appreciating classical rock like led zep, maiden, etc.
growlingsoulpup
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I agree to a certain extent with your statement, but then again its a bit too sweeping to really justify. I think the main criteria to good music is relevancy and ability to communicate: sometimes a message can get lost in the musical self-masturbation of a musician who's only interested in seeing how many notes he can squeeze in four bars, but at the same time a message can be diluted and made unappealing by oversimplistic production and arrangement.
That is a function of time. After more than 50 years since Elvis, its not possible for today's music not to reference the music of the past. But even the music of the past had a starting point e.g. early Beatles heavily influenced by early rock n roll and Motown etc - so in that sense it has not changed BUT its where you end up that counts...
good subject but I could write a book about this
You should, Kevin. You should.
Aye aye aye...What is going on?!! Such huge debates over someone's preferance of music.
Why(!) in the world are we so disturbed by another individual's taste?!! Faizal_rocks is just searchin for someone on the same boat as him. That's all. I don't believe he's stating ANY fact over facts. I don't believe he's dissin others who aren't in the same mindset as him as losers or poseurs.
Summarizing this:
Just Listen to what you like.
Why(!) in the world are we so disturbed by another individual's taste?!! Faizal_rocks is just searchin for someone on the same boat as him. That's all. I don't believe he's stating ANY fact over facts. I don't believe he's dissin others who aren't in the same mindset as him as losers or poseurs.
Summarizing this:
Just Listen to what you like.
It all boils down to how curious a person is regarding music and whether he/she goes on to discover more and find out better music etc. It also tells a person mentality,whether they only listen to music their friends listen to or dares to be like Faizal_rockz in terms of not minding what other people think of him etc. It could be due to the vast piracy going on nowadays too,eventuall causing music to go down in quality as compared to 70s,80s etc. They are a few good ones in terms of modern music,but there's tons of good ones in the 70s/80s music,just take your time to discover yeah? and don't feel shy if your friends laugh at you.
Mobius
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We get attached to the music we listen to when we are teens dont we? that's also the time we usually discover music. The 90s alt/grunge rock music is something I missed because I was a teen then listening to such stuff.
Pop music sounding stagnant nowadays is because its all about the sales, making music what the general masses will like, so it becomes formulalic, everything sounds similar, add the sleek production, it takes the soul of the music away. I recently listened to Yesterday by the Beatles, the cello tone recorded on that song is absoutely killer, no doubt there's some noise and hissing on it, raw and not overly processed but got soul.
Pop music sounding stagnant nowadays is because its all about the sales, making music what the general masses will like, so it becomes formulalic, everything sounds similar, add the sleek production, it takes the soul of the music away. I recently listened to Yesterday by the Beatles, the cello tone recorded on that song is absoutely killer, no doubt there's some noise and hissing on it, raw and not overly processed but got soul.
faizal_rocks
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To quote my friend who told me of his opinions, "there are more imitators than innovators in music today." I fully agree with him
Mobius, the cellos on Yesterday can absolutely make u weep. The Beatles were the first to put amazing unique stuff on their music. Lets see...feedback on I Feel Fine, Sitar on Norwegian Wood, backward guitar solo, reverse tape loops on the Revolver album ( I think this album was voted no 1 in the greatest albums of all time in Rolling Stone) and many many more.
Mobius, the cellos on Yesterday can absolutely make u weep. The Beatles were the first to put amazing unique stuff on their music. Lets see...feedback on I Feel Fine, Sitar on Norwegian Wood, backward guitar solo, reverse tape loops on the Revolver album ( I think this album was voted no 1 in the greatest albums of all time in Rolling Stone) and many many more.
PatheinRaindropMoe
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its easier to be innovator then to be now. What have not been done by now, if theres any, its prolly the things we have yet to know, but already happening else where.
rock music, pop culture, back when theres none, everything can be so magical. Fast forward to where we are now, it aint the stuff we have now thats not up to par, but being weigh down by what came before.
imho
rock music, pop culture, back when theres none, everything can be so magical. Fast forward to where we are now, it aint the stuff we have now thats not up to par, but being weigh down by what came before.
imho
slumdogmilonaire
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yo music is just music man..
if you like it you listen 2 it.. if you can learn something from it den you learn it. today's music is gonna be a old someday too and people in the future are going 2 debate and comment about the same thingy as what we are. so might as well just chill and let people do what they want to.
By the way all of us are imitators than innovators when comes to music especially making originals. And music is all about inspirations.its a natural thingy. That's why artistes like 2 quote these "I was inspired by Metallica,Guns & Roses and blah blah". its simply taking their ideas and changing it. Both imitations and innovations are involved.
Well being different is kinda tough nowadays unlike the days of Jimi Hendriks,Black Sabbath,Nirvana and many other great legendary bands,all of them broke away from the main stream music back then 2 create what they wanted. Apparently they were greatly appreciated by the people and they did changed the music.
In the end of the day music is just music. Plug in 2 your genre and enjoy the music.
if you like it you listen 2 it.. if you can learn something from it den you learn it. today's music is gonna be a old someday too and people in the future are going 2 debate and comment about the same thingy as what we are. so might as well just chill and let people do what they want to.
By the way all of us are imitators than innovators when comes to music especially making originals. And music is all about inspirations.its a natural thingy. That's why artistes like 2 quote these "I was inspired by Metallica,Guns & Roses and blah blah". its simply taking their ideas and changing it. Both imitations and innovations are involved.
Well being different is kinda tough nowadays unlike the days of Jimi Hendriks,Black Sabbath,Nirvana and many other great legendary bands,all of them broke away from the main stream music back then 2 create what they wanted. Apparently they were greatly appreciated by the people and they did changed the music.
In the end of the day music is just music. Plug in 2 your genre and enjoy the music.
