Can you be rich playing music for a living in sg?

I think a band can attain the first glimpse of financial success is when an investor is willing to take it in.

I've been asking many bands what is the next thng they want to do and I almost always get the same reply, that is to record an album, or even the next album. Nothing wrong if you are not looking at the financial viability of the exercise. The value comes when someone comes up to you and say, let me do an album for you.

So how do you work yourself towards that? Very tricky and very sensitive!!
 
Very often names like JJ, SS surfaced whenevever we talk about success in music, commercially and financially. I'm kind of perplexed by the following..

Why did they get such wide acceptance for their music, locally and abroad?
Would locals have accepted them if they had failed in Taiwan?
Singapore listeners...presumably bi-lingual, prefer Mandarin songs?
People who visits SOFT...presumably more listeners of English songs, supports imported acts more than local ones? Why?
Do we not have quality music and lyrics?
 
Singaporeans are a hardup lot.
They only listen to 'branded' names,
if a singer is not an international or regional star, a NO to them.

How good a singer if didn't make it abroad, no one will accept.
 
do you need to be rich to be happy?

as a musician I wouldn't expect to earn enough to be super rich.

but you can earn enough to be comfortable and happy.
 
Must be mainstream, definitely. I heard nowadays people sell 5k CDs in singapore ready considered lucky ... Sweet Charity that time during the 80s sell 25K in singapore alone ...
 
25.000 copies of album is a feat !
nowadays with CD burning and copying, how to sell 25K copies?

5000 ? can't even break even production cost.
 
since the original topic was BEING RICH, here's my personal opinion.

as a performer, gig player, competitions

Rich?? NO.
Just enough?? YES

as a teacher, and. teacher..

RICH?? possible
just enough. sure.
 
from ma point of view being rich isn't the point in music...Its juz enuff earn a little extra will do..I mean you gotta get your band to play for gigs and also make peoplr realise who you are and how your music sounds like then maybe u'll get a little richer..All i'm talkin in actually fame then fortune
 
now the only person who can sell more than 30k records in sg is taufik. then there's an article in manja magazine saying he is estimated to have earned about $500k... but its estimated only lah.. might be much lower... so yeah, win sg idol and get rich. no offence to him though. so, music-wise, one of the rare ways to get rich is to join a national music competition broadcasted on tv. but of cos there are other ways as well.
 
HeartRockSingapore said:
Very often names like JJ, SS ?

Acceptance? I don't know.
If they had failed in TW/HK, they would likely fail in SG. I think it's pretty obvious looking at the ones who didn't succeed (Rui En, Huang Xiang Yi had much more limited success than JJ, SS. Correlation maybe?)

I think it happens that the artistes that have success... have a higher element of commerical songwriting that those who haven't.

If you -MUST- ask me, yes, we don't have that kind of commerical songwriting in the English context yet. The more successful English-singing, Singaporean artists haven't had that kind of a high-level profile marketing yet.

kinda imo and "out of a hunch" answers. The irony is that people tend to support the artiste, not just because of very good music. A lot of other things are involved, charisma, marketing, luck, fanbase fan-personality... etc.
 
blackductape said:
now the only person who can sell more than 30k records in sg is taufik..
wow! that's a lot of money for a young man!
if we work all our life, I doubt we can earn this amount of money!
 
Thanks Thor !

1. Higher element of commercial songwriting
2. High profile marketing
3. Charisma, fan base, personality and luck

I concur with Thor 100%. The period we all call scene has matured and its about time we start using the term industry. While outreach activities and platforms continue to play its role, we can now spare some time thinking about making Singapore music a viable and exportable industry. Thanks to this thread.

Having spoken to some industry people at the Michael Bolten reception last night, I gathered that they do have hopes in our English music but are not convinced that our bands possess the attributes that attracts real investments. Songwriting is the key element. Local Chinese language songwriters and composers mastered the art of understanding human needs and deliver the products that meets the needs. And one of those things is to leverage on Singapore's very own unique multi-racila, multi cultural heritage as can be heard in SS's songs. Within the global Chinese listening market, our standard fared highly.

What about the English songs. Our shortcoming is ours is a very young English speaking society comparing to the US and Europe.They certainly have a longer history. We are also not a homogeneous English speaking society and our expression of feelings lacks ease. Our listeners are also too familiar with the western artistes that even when our local "songwriters" that may not really be song writers pen thier songs, they mimick the westerners. What do you get? You only get to sound like XXX at most.

I guess our bands can and will still pursue purity in being true to the western genre they listened to, but when it comes to making a living, locally and exporting, a lot more thought, convictions and committments are needed. that is what probably Tomhess meant by providing the things that we have and the west have not.

We have great advantage, according to Tomhess again, and I do agree. Andrew Lum who did the fusion of different Asian instruments and had them mixed down in New York found its way into the hearts of western listeners, as well as local funding. His music was listened to by media moguls from all over the world at both Media Asia and Ad Asia just. Rudra's music found followers in the US even though you may not call them a commercial success in Singapore.

High profile marketing is a mere process when you have a marketable product. We do have personality attractions. Levan and David Tan are wonderful examples of personalities that attracts though their styles are miles apart. Sometime I wonder what would Ronin or Electrico be without them. On the contrary, Levan and David wil still be themselves for all you care about changing back up musicians...no offence nor prejudices. Just hypothetical thinking. But this may be the much needed answer in the form of a radical transfromation from a scene to an industry. As a member of the industry, as an investor, I would go for a sure win with lesser elements of risks and promoting the frontman that will ultimately create fortune for the backups may be my best bet.

I hope I have posted some thought provking ideas that will lead to more serious discussions. Sorry have to go for meeting.
 
On the more mid level, HeartRockSingapore
has points in his post I would agree with to some extent, however the "level" does not always dictate the "result" of success nor its size. I think this thread is good and I can sense some good thinking from some of the posts written by others here. I don't plan to reply much to this post for several more weeks in detail, but I am reading it with interest often to see "who" among you seems to have the mindset I would agree with (for my curiousity).
 
i personally believe that most of us (not the commerically successful category but the full time performers at pubs, gigs, competitions, teachers) will never get rich from music full time. Bear in mind that rich is a very subjective term, to some 4k a month means rich but to others it may just be pocket change.

I love music, and the people who plays with me knows that I do, but i've never wanted to make music a full time job for me (also bearing in mind i din have what it takes of course lol) as I feel that it's too much of long and tedious process to riches, that is if I ever get there at all. My 2 cents worth.
 
I plan to , but right now I'm very busy with recording 3 new CDs and preparing to go back out on tour, so time is limited now. I do not want to reply in a hurry, the topic is too important
 
none of us can be very rich if we choose to stay local (unless u win some local competion aired on national TV. but, thats only 1 out of a few thousand chance). this is because our local market is sooo relatively tiny.

what we really need, is to tap into larger countries' market (esp those with purchasin power like the US, UK, Japan, China, Taiwan, Australia and if possible, SEA countries too)

the problem with this is, very few people seem to be able to do that. i guess that this is because people have the mindset that: "i can't even make it on the local scale, how can i even make it regionally or globally?"

i think this mindset hampers us greatly cuz as i've said above, it might be easier to actually make it regional or global 1st without even locals having a clue on who u are... i took JJ and SS as examples for this conclusion...

marketing and all plays a very important role in succeeding and if u succeed in regional scale, u'd most probably already succeed in a local scale. this does not apply the other way round.

how do i put it... we're like "there but not there". we tend to target local market (which is pretty much not alive yet) and when we fail to, we think we're worthless. its all in the head. the amount of time and energy spent in trying to make it locally might as well be spent in making ourself heard outside the country. but all these need to me financed, either by sponsers, producers, or artists themselves.

where do we get that $$$ if no body thinks local music "cannot make it one"?
 
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