Baybeats and its lost lambs thread.We got something to say thread

[ShyamRaj]

determination and power... instead or going on about how metal is an outsiders culture .. and your claim that you support the local sceane no matter what sort . how far will you go to support an idea like this ? it does not seem to me that you have been doing so thru out all your post in this thread. If you are aware , headbangers journey was a documentry done on Metal true. but what sort of metal. What about hard rock/ prog metal / Grunge metal / etc . .. etc ... do they alll talk about what ever you said that they do ? its an unfair judgement becoz your focus was not on the right spot and your refrence was from just that one person. Just becoz he had said it does not mean metal is that or even hard-rock for that matter.

Some times these are the genres that carry the most meaning in their songs. Go listen to temple of the dog , hunger strike. AIC Rooster, Rage against the Machine , there are so many bands that are are heavy that talk about anything other than how a girl left them. they talk about suffering. they talk about the truth. They make music , We make music from the heart. Music should be about pasion rather than fashion. And to allow these bands to express such humane qualities or honesty in their own way just like how alot of others were given the chance to, would be fair.

 

[Juno]

why are u asking the govt for help?

err...why not?
no harm trying wat...
it's just another way to get the message across...
if we can see big names in rock/metal performing here...
i guess no harm getting the government's assistance maybe to give local rock/metal bands a platform to showcase to a wider crowd in a big event like baybeats if not bigger...
maybe can stretch it to 2-3 days...
n like some of the suggestions given here is to include 1 or 2 big names perform on the last day or something...
maybe organisations like PAYM,MCYS,NAC (maybe) can lend a hand to work with events organisers to make this happen...
mite be good for the tourism industry...
(imagine holding the festival with X-games or sumthing?)
not to mention a very good exposure for our local act to perform together with big names in the same event...

my old band performed in front of john myung before back in 2000...
so imagine if our local act performing side by side with megadeth or something...
wouldn't that be awesome!!!!

just a thought...

 

[panz3rr]

oh well. Shyam lets just pack our bags and go overseas. We're not wanted here..hehe

 

[ShyamRaj]

Yeah dude in the end we all have to think like this. And i dont blame you one bit . In the end when you make it overseas , just watch how singapore comes claiming you to be their own . Why do you have to make it overseas in order to be appreciated in singapore? Happy 2008

 

[panz3rr]

only hope is one rich tycoon son who loves metal and rock and decides to make a huge ass festival to showcase his favourite local rock/metal bands and probably bring several huge rock/metal acts playing on a freakin big stage in pulau ubin. Dreams oh dreams....

 

[gibbytones]

Ask roman abrohamovich his list of favourite bands la..

I was thinking about the whole metal gig thingy and I felt that things wont change.

Until we have ONE good show.
what i mean by a good show? Put a quality lineup of bands.
mind blowing turn out. show to the people that matter that this genre can still bring in alot of
people. good enough to sell as a metal festival over a couple of days.

We just need ONE show.

 

[rottenramone]

err...why not?
no harm trying wat...


just a thought...

no harm but isn't it odd?

actually that's not my main pt. what i feel that most ppl who run into difficulty always ask "what shd the govt do, why isn't govt doing this, why isn't govt doing that?" its a very dependent culture that the ruling party and govt has created over the years, which i feel is wrong.

 

[Cinonyx]

I still think 2005 Baybeats was the best

 

[wyldeboon]

oh well. Shyam lets just pack our bags and go overseas. We're not wanted here..hehe

nak ikut!!!!!

 

[visa]

I love my metal and I would love to see a large scale metal festival for our brothers to get the exposure they deserve! I'm just trying to explain why I think the situation is the way it is. =)

When I say it is an "outsider" culture, I don't mean it to be in any way or form negative whatsoever. In fact, I believe that outsiders of any culture deserve a hell of alot of respect for daring to do what they believe in, to chase their dreams, and to not give a damn about what everybody else thinks. All the more so when you are not credited enough for your hard work and effort. That's real passion right there.

To the rest of our fellow Singaporeans, the local arts scene in its entirety (music, drama, theater, dance) is something abit foreign, abit quirky, abit "outsider". Most Singaporeans would choose to spend their money to watch a movie, go clubbing to RnB and prefer whatever's on MTV or the radio.

What i'm getting at is that it's very sad that there will always be people who look down on other people with lots of piercings and tattoos, even though it's a form of self expression. There will also always be people who avoid metal because it is heavier and more powerful than what they are used to-

people sadly discriminate against things that are different, which is why we also have sad situations where musicians from different genres don't support each other when we are all in the same boat (i'm sure this we can agree on!) This shouldn't be happening!

But just as perceptions of tattooes and piercings are changing, so too can perception of metal.

We will have to probably lead by example and fill out venues to capacity for smaller gigs (whether metal or non metal) and get those shows some publicity and press coverage to convince bigwigs that singaporean metal can and will make a powerful impact.

we're fighting the same war on the same side, just possibly under different flags.
-visa

 

[daryl]

We cant just sit on our chairs and say Metal is an outsider's culture. sam was probably drunk when he said that.

Visa, you're such an armchair critic. Hahaha

 

[Juno]

no harm but isn't it odd?

actually that's not my main pt. what i feel that most ppl who run into difficulty always ask "what shd the govt do, why isn't govt doing this, why isn't govt doing that?" its a very dependent culture that the ruling party and govt has created over the years, which i feel is wrong.

dude...
i guess u didnt really understand my message..
when i say get the govt's assistance,is by getting a mojority of local musicians...
be it pro or amateur...
in one voice n get the message across to govt-linked bodies as what i mentioned in my earlier message...
who in turn can get some of the big events organisers to get involved...
and then get this event going...
itz not totally depending on the government to help...
just getting them involved via the grassroots level...
if this can be a success,everybody is gonna gain from it...
in a way if it supports our tourism industry,better still...
in this region,so far the rock musci festival has yet to get to the level of woodstock for example...
so if we can have one of that scale in s'pore...
it would be awesome...
of course itz easier said than done...
that is why we need as much assistance as possible to make this happen...
that is if everyone has a vision to go that far...
if not,it will always be just a dream...

 

[daryl]

Why do we have to depend on the government? What you've said implies a certain amount of pessimism in the sense that you assume that we can't do it on our own. If some people here are inspired enough they can start running their own event and build on it year by year. In time, who knows what it would become.

Because honestly, I don't think the government would help a bunch of local rockstar wannabes realise their dreams. They have far better things to do, no? I feel that there's quite a huge amount of dependency here and that is certainly not ideal.

If someone starts something going and the government can see the potential in it to be a good thing for Singapore, yeah great that would be awesome. But not from scratch, I feel.

If you believe strongly in your music, do it yourself.

 

[ac]

Doesn't baybeats itself have assistance from esplanade, and by extension the govt? I don't think it's worthwhile to say govt, as in one big monolithic entity -- a targetted part of the govt would be easier for organisers to approach.

 

[mandric]

Its true that esplande does alot for Mosaic and all and i do respect them so much for doing things like that.. but we need something for our Hard Rock/rock and Roll / Metal brothers.

Mosaic is like the king of all music festivals in Singapore. best ever. If you want something for the Heavy music like rock and metal, I also wanna petition for more funk, soul, jazz shit to come. Singapore so small. Jurong rock, changi also can hear. No market la. We all just have to face it.

Esplanade is a place for fine arts. If shit groups go there and play, confirm spoil the reputation of the place. And i think that's what no one wants.

No offence man but music ain't just about rock and rock & roll and metal. sure i like these genres but we've gotta widen our perspective.

 

[ShyamRaj]

No offence man but music ain't just about rock and rock & roll and metal. sure i like these genres but we've gotta widen our perspective.

Well Of Course it isnt Mandric. But I am speaking on behalf of the Rock and Roll people. Jazz , blues , world music etc. I am a fan of these music.

You see this line is gonna get boring but i still want to emphasize on it. Genre is what separates music. Music is universal. The only reason we have genre is so that we can probally identify the kind of music with more ease rather than relying on all the

" eh you know the music where the guitar goes like jang je jang and chuk chuk."

What i am saying is, There are things being done abt the kinda music that you stated and i have nothing against it, but Maybe in your perception its not enough. But what i will say is . There will be more to the esplanade if they had some heavy acts and events.

Enough talk . Can someone tell me how i can go about approaching Esplanade , maybe whom to ask and what can i do to make this thing possible. Oh yeah and It has to be a free gig.

Anyone who is willing to join me in this and try to make it happen pls let me know.
No promises that this will happen and I'm not expecting money out of this. It Doesn't harm giving it a shot .. so lets get the inputs rolling .

I'm thinking a petition for a start ?

 

[visa]

yep! genre is about classification for easier identification, NOT separation!

I'm not sure who to approach, but perhaps what we could do is to try and organize a good solid show on a smaller scale on our own?

Get it some press and media coverage, and then approach the larger organizers about it?

Maybe invite them to the show itself so that they can see for themselves that there is a significant market worth looking into?

 

[visa]

daryl:

hahahahaha

 

[Juno]

well...
for those of u who have been to or heard of this gig organized by a youth group in the west...
itz for a good cause...
they called it the mad against drugs (in short M.A.D.)
most of the bands are of the heavy genre...
be it rock or metal...
so u see,getting the grassroots level to get involved is still not a bad thing...
if u hv the resources to do it on your own then itz good...
if not,there's always another channel to do it...
but 1st local musicians should act as one if they really want things to happen...
forming up an association or society for amateur musicians can be a step to get your voice heard...
u got lots of musicians here in soft...
maybe at tomorrow's soft gathering,someone can bring this idea about getting a bigger scale concert for rock n metal...
who knows there might be enough people who might be interested in the idea...

 

[neuro182]

I think Deafcon is the next closest thing we have. If they could hold it @ large venue like the Esplanade, it's gonna be explosive