A quiet piece - tips appreciated

greentea23

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Hi all,

I've uploaded my first composition here : www.myspace.com/corrinnetan.

It's not completely polished as I'm new to music production software. I would really appreciate any tips or feedback to improve the instrumentation and also to find a way to make the chorus segment sound a little less mechanical.

Thanks.
 
that's some nice piano work, good playing. The sound of the bell is too loud and sharp during the chorus part, might wanna cut that down a little. To make the chorus segment sounds less mechanic, you can try to adjust the velocity of the drumbeat and also try to put in some swing in the quantization which will affects the groove and make it sound more like human playing.
 
Hi greentea23

The song is very nice! Is this an original composition?

Anyways, did you have the metronome on for the piano part? Cos the rubato while creating a very nice feel, is throwing the listener's tempo off a little.

In terms of songwriting, I would move the current chorus to become the intro and think of another more melodious chorus.

In terms of sound, the hi-hats used in the chorus is too heavy. You can try a lighter version. I try to use 2 slightly different hi-hats sound and alternate them. 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + = HH1 , HH2 , HH1 , HH2 , HH1 , HH2 , HH1 , HH2

Best if you could pan them slightly too.
 
Nice piece greentea! It's very Japanese anime style. Can hear where your influences are from. One set of chord progression is similar to one of my new pieces (so far kept secret...), which scared me for a while. Then I realised that it is still different. Whew! Otherwise people may say I plagarized you!

What software and samples are you using?

James, I think greentea used the metronome. The slight "rubato" is still in strict timing. If I'm not wrong, the only 2 time changes (which is done using software) is the middle section when the speed increased, and the end. But James brought up an important point... (see below, Greentea).

What I like:
1. I think you've created a mood that's befitting for the title. I always find giving the right title for a piece extremely important. The piece must fit the title, and vice versa.

2. Good choice of acoustic instruments.

Here are some things which I think that may help the arrangement (mainly on sequencing style, not so much on the music arrangement itself). Please note these are just my thoughts, which are of course subjective :)!

1. Rubato can be very effective. Except for the second section when the drums come in (which will be in strict timing), if you can, turn off the metronome entirely and play the first and last sections entirely in free timing without metronome. Of course, it will be slightly harder for you to get the strings to play at the right time, but it's not too difficult. You just cannot rely on the score as the timing will be off and the score itself will make no sense in this case. You just play freely, then at the right time, get the strings to come in.

2. When the strings fade in and out in the beginning and last sections, try to let the fading out (tail off) be slightly slower and gradual. The first time the strings come in is the best. The ending part, the strings fading out need to be extended. Are you using the mod wheel to control? The strings fading off at the end of the middle section is also too abrupt. You are obviously trying to create some dreamy feeling - so the strings need to be more "hesitant", almost like "reluctant to let go" feeling without being too draggy. You'll be surprised how good strings sequencing can change the mood dramatically.When you "hesitate" the strings in the end of the middle section, obviously the piano coming in the last section needs to delay slightly (wait for the strings to finish their "hesitation").

3. When the drums come in, it's quite a dramatic change of mood. It's quite a suden change, at least for me. If that's your intent, it's OK. But to make the transition smoother (without changing too much), you can try adding a cymbal roll (crescendo) - not too much (or too overpowering), but ever so slightly from the 2 beats before the start of the middle section.

4. As alshit said, the bells are indeed a tad too loud. Your melody line still lie on the piano. The bell is helping the piano melody. It is supposed to add a dreamy feeling. Too much can be overpowering. Lower the velocity of the bells.

These are some of my thoughts. I think it's a very good try. And did I say that it's a nice piece? Hope to hear more from you!
 
Thanks for your comments everyone! They are really helpful for a newbie because there's just way too many things that can be tweaked and these suggestions help me focus on some immediate problems.

To soft and Cheez - yes, this is an original composition. I'm glad you like it. I did not put on the metronome for the piano part because it was too distracting for me. I just let it countdown and kept the tempo in mind as best as I could. The rubato effect was deliberate.

I did have some problems with the strings part. I still haven't figured out how to link the wheels on my hardware synthesizer to the program, so I had to use my mouse to turn the volume up and down during the recording. It's a bit clumsy. Cheez, I like your suggestion about the hesitating strings. Will try that.

I wanted a soft cymbal roll, but I couldn't find one inside my program (FL Studio). I've only just gotten my software last week so I haven't explored it in depth. I therefore settled for the twinkly windchimes to lead into the drum section. :D

For the pianos, I'm using Pianoteq and FL Keys. I'd like to find a better piano VSTi though. Somehow, these still don't sound as great as the one in my Yamaha MM6. Any recommendations?

I'm using EWQL Symphonic Orchestra for the strings.

Cheez, will try out that velocity suggestion for the bells. Thanks!
 
Btw, Soft, I did use 2 hi hats, but the 2nd one hits at the same time as the snare so maybe it seemed like only 1 hi hat was played. I think instead of using the step sequencer, I'm going to play the hi hats manually so I can make them a little more expressive. :D
 
I just feel the snares' kinda soft,adding to the other comments,as basically if u wanna use the hi-hat at the volume,the snares must at least be around the same volume,thats what i think,and yes,the strings is off,if you want to,i suggest you to use electronics beats instead of a drum set's beat as it gives a much more 'solid' bass feel in the chorus,but if its ur every intent to use a drum set's then you may go ahead.

the piano near the ending could be more hesitant,at 1:42,the syncopation part . Since ur using strings,why not at the chorus put a violin/cello(depend on if u want a bassier/higher pitching sound) and the piano as ur accompaniment? Just my 2centz;)
 
Greentea, for true rubato in sequencing, you don't even try to keep the tempo of the software in your mind (because the metronome still exist - in your head!). Your DAW software will go from measure to measure, but you play as if it's an audio recording. In the score screen, you'll not see the notes kept in your 4/4 timing at all. The timing of the notes will be all over the place. Then you'll truly be free from the software timing (or metronome - heard or not heard!). This sequencing technique makes things very different. You can no longer tell which bar/measure the piece is in - when you click measure 10, the score will not show measure 10 but probably 15.5 or somewhere else. You'll therefore be sequencing "half-blind" without any reference to measure/bar numbers.
 
Hi all,

Thanks again for the comments. I've taken some of the suggestions and amended the song slightly. I think the bells are much less loud now.

Please have a listen again if you have time. Thanks.

Cheers! :cool:
 
Eh eh,not bad,much better =) but the last string fade in was too slow still , i would still suggest a violin solo accompaniment in the chorus :twisted:
 
Nice!

Hi Corrinne,
I'm probably listening to your improved version on your MySpace page (would've loved to listen to the Before and After). I like your arrangement. Song starts and ends gently, with the percussion in the middle as variation.

One suggestion: I'd have introduced the drums slightly different. I'm not sure how to describe it to you... in this version I listened to, I think it starts with the snare right? The beat seems to jar the piano a bit (the closest i can describe to you is to use the marching analogy -- like you started with the right foot when it should be the left). But it was just a minor distraction.

I like this track. :)
 
Thank you!

Hi all,

Thanks again for the encouragement and feedback. I'll tweak this further when I have time. Right now, kinda caught up with a new piece. :D

Will share again soon! :cool:

Cheers
 
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