What do you guys think of a LOCAL MUSIC MOVEMENT?

biopromax

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Hi guys, Its me Raman.

Give us some ideas/advise on how we can promote our Local Music Scene in Singapore to the rest of the world.

And how do you go about organizing a monthly gig. We need more advise in these from veterans in the local arena.

And also , state down , the differences with the music scene back then and now. :)

We would love to hear from you.

Thanks,

Raman
whatlah!
 
if really wanna, try searching for similar threads. Theres some useful info in there.

Roninriot has some posts which are good read. Same goes to some of the other threads on the local scene.

heh, for the veterans, i think if you ask them out, buy them some drinks, they can tell you lotsa stories over the years. Over forums and needing them to type, hehe, i think they might have other things to do.

Imho
 
Local music is very broad. You have to consider that hip hop and dance has a stake in local music too.
 
OK sure, I will search through soft again. Regarding what Levan post on that thread :)

Yeah, I do listen to others and watch others. I thinks that's called ART? :)
 
=biopromax



hmm..WHATLAH PROJECT is doing good .very good
hmm,going mothly gig? hahaha..wana make more money?

i think WHATLAH PROJECT should go into popcast for local music.

if there's anyway band who's going overseas try to go with them

then nterview them band plus people from that country holding WHATLAH PROJECT
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plus im sure with have lot's of friends in myspace
ask them to spread or help you with the podcast stuff


i think it can work !!
 
Yeah, I do listen to others and watch others. I thinks that's called ART? :)

Nah, best to focus MUSIC. If you wanna focus art, then have to consider that hiphop alone has graffiti, dance, DJ as well as rap, while dance have their own graphic, video jockeying etc to consider.

Contact Saito also if you thinking about the goth music scene. He started the Singapore Dark Alternative Movement. Currently they having a monthly thing called Dark Friday, an industrial/dark wave music clubbing thing every first Friday of the month.

For hip hop, might consider Freaky Z of 65 and Hope/XS One, or someone from Da Fam.

Dance... not very very sure. I remember them having a forum for themselves too.
 
Thanks Spongebob, nice words. That made my night!
Well yeah, we are trying to focus on every aspect to help bring local music up. But how?

We've tried , podcasting , gig making , myspacings (networking) , hooking up with others like PlayStopRewind , Youth Park , ACRES and suchs, Charity organizations and more.

So right now , which is the best way(s) to get things going?

Any Ideas to share?

To Thoa, I listen and watched others alot , and my music listening have no boundaries at all. If need be , I would pay to watch unknown genre concerts/gigs :) And Im sure theres more people who loves music too.

Yeah, would love to know about other Movement too. THANKS!
 
hmm,does WHATLAH engage with other country's band?


like when other country band come to singapore
did WHATLAH go interview them?



i feel that WHATLAH should get a free pass to every gig
cause bands from singapore and get interview
so people from outside singapore can know what are singapore music scene is
 
To Thoa, I listen and watched others alot , and my music listening have no boundaries at all. If need be , I would pay to watch unknown genre concerts/gigs :) And Im sure theres more people who loves music too.

Yeah, would love to know about other Movement too. THANKS!

Dude, I understood you the first time about the "no boundaries" bit, man. I'm very sure you would pay for unknown genre gigs, as well. Hey, I don't mind either. If it's good it's good.

I'm just pointing out some names for you to keep in touch with if you are considering to start your idea; who you should consider speaking to.

Another thing to consider: some of the scenes like hip hop for example has a bigger agenda of not just promoting the music, but the whole culture as well. And the truth be known that a bulk of the local rock music industry kinda have this stereotype or mentality to shun the music, let alone the whole hip hop culture (again, I am not saying you, just quite a fair bit). So hip hop can be pretty defensive and wary about any ideas of incorporation. Or at least that is my personal impression.
 
THOA : yeah I can feel you. I felt the same way too. We are more focussed with Local Bands , any genres and stuffs.

Ok I think I need to know more about the scene while IJ is still around that time :) hehe.

Im sure you guys have stories to share. And from what i heard is that, last time, gigs happening one at a time, meaning to say, all organizers takes turn to organize a gig. Thats something nice!

Cause, everyone would go to that gig.

As of now, alot of crashes, dunno which to go. SORRY IF IM COMPLAINING HAHA.. Its good and bad at the same time ah.
 
High priority
0. Better musicians
1. Better bands
2. Better music (song writing)
3. Better production

Middle priority
0. More opportunities to perform
1. More media exposure
2. More investment in industry
3. More fans

Low priority
0. Every Singaporean have a SOFT account


If we work on the top priority, the rest of the items will follow. It is chain reaction.

Working bottom up is also possible but it will take another 50 years.
 
I would argue that:

0 More opportunities to perform
1. More media exposure
2. More investment in industry
3. More fans

will subsequently push more people to put in the time and effort for

High priority
0. Better musicians
1. Better bands
2. Better music (song writing)
3. Better production
 
I agree with Visa except there is one caveat

More opportunities to perform for those with some talent to begin with.

To my mind the biggest problem the local scene faces is things like at Christmas or Singapore Street Fest where bands that are at best average only get to perform in prime downtown locations with under budget production so everything ends up just being noise.

With so many of this kind of event given out to anyone who is willing to play for free and with lack of QC = your average Singaporean sees lots of shitty local band shows and concludes that local bands cannot make it.

Sorry if i offend anyone, but honestly, we will always face the stereotype that local bands cannot make it if we keep showcasing the ones that really cannot in prime locations
 
Yeah thanks for putting it in words, thats what I thought too. But i sucked at my sentence constructions :)

The organizers for such events need to seek some advice from experienced gig goers etc, so that, they can intro some good bands and those who is super talented in this field.

R.
 
I think you can't really blame the organisers themselves for putting on sub-standard shows, because the fact of the matter is most of them have no clue as to how to get in contact with the decent acts. I blame the bands themselves for this.

The crux of the problem lies with the structure of the community itself in recent years. We are suffering from what the chinese call the "Frog In The Well" Syndrome. What we have is a prolific number of small groups of bands, say about, 4 or 5 of them who play the same shows at the same venues to the same crowd week after week, and then spend the rest of the time carebearing each other, not bothering to self-promote or to assess how they may improve. Too many of them rely on gimmicks and one-trick-pony songwriting too, or lifting off sounds that have already been run into the ground.

As a result, the quality of most of our local acts gets hentak-kaki-ed at a glass ceiling of self-indulgence, never progressing any further. The majority of the people stuck in this cycle believe that they are making progress, when the fact of that matter is that they aren't. They don't realise that by shutting themselves in a circle, they are closing their doors to individuals or organizations who might genuinely have the resources or input to help them.

Bands should take the responsibility of self-promotion into their own hands. And by self-promotion, I mean actually writing, playing, and putting out music that is heartfelt, and spending time to break out of your "scene" to talk to new people, not spending 2 hours in front of the closet wondering which outfit is indie enough, or going around myspace commenting "omg I love your music!" to bands that you don't really like.
 
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Hello guys! This will be a LONG post so bare with me, but I hope that if you take the time to read it carefully, you will find many useful ideas that will aid in your success as a local musician :) I've always had my gripes with the limitation of the local scene here but have also been a huge optimist and worker at heart.

While I agree with James on all the above points he has posted, I do feel that we’ve heard the same suggestions over and over again from the scene as a collective.We’ve been repeating ourselves for years – saying we should do this and should do that, but the end result is still the same . These points will improve the scene on a temporary basis but will not lead to big boom we want.

I feel that it is crucial for us to abandon the notion that these are the only forms of improving the scene. They're great suggestions still though.

We need a reinvention, a total overhaul of the mindset that we have stuck in our heads from the many years of practice.

These following points will mention my personal experiences, and in no way is meant to sound boastful or 'Mr. Smarty Pants Thinks He Knows His Stuff!'. I'm just sharing my experiences, the obstacles I've faced and overcame. There's plenty more to learn but the uphill task has always thrilled me.

The following post is both filled with facts and personal opinions that I have been researching on over the past few months.

Once again, this is a super long post but I urge you to read it through. It will change your perception of how to truly change your idea of what the local scene can accomplish as a whole, and what you can achieve as an individual musician. I know these type of posts of mine don't get as much response as my usual insults and rants, but it's certainly more productive :P

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Introduction:
One of the things that has irked me the most about the scene recently is the tendency to mope and moan and our collective inability to keep up with the times. We are basically operating on a very early 2000s mentality rather than shaping ourselves up to become a part of the global music community TODAY. With the rise of the Internet - be it social networking sites, online album distributions, online international licensing, etc – the global opportunities are right there for us, IF we take the time to source them out and filter out the nonsense from the more-cents.

The best philosophy to create the new revolution for the local scene is this, and it's a simple one
"Invest in yourself what you would have others invest in you"

Invest in your music and the rewards will come.




WORK THE CROWD
Here is an example. Once again I stress that this is in no way meant to promote myself. I am merely using this as an illustration of the effectiveness of the ongoing revolution that most Singaporean bands are missing out on.

ASTRONINJA first ventured onto the Internet approximately 4 months ago. Through extensive online promotions (on a daily basis, 3 hours a day, not once a week), we've gone from zero plays to more than 300,000 unique MP3 plays on a number of our social networking sites in just under 3 months (It took 1 month to set up these accounts) These sites include Purevolume.com, Facebook, MySpace, Vampirefreaks.com, Newgrounds.com, imeem.com, Reverbnation.com, and a few more).

The majority of these plays - approximately 95% - do not come locally but from overseas fans from the US, Australia, and Europe.

As a result of just 3-months of intensive online promotion, we have had more than 9,300 in pre-orders of our album, from young people situated all around the world. While that number is sure to be reduced from some wavers and perhaps the economic crisis, the fact of the matter is, even if you reduce that number by a whole quarter or half, the final sales figures easily trumps those of bands who still insist on promoting themselves in the 'old-school' manner that is commonplace in most promotional methods done by Singapore musicians.

With a base number like that, exponential growth in figures will be a result of it.

The thing that most people will surely ask is "But how can a Singaporean band win over an American or European when they already have so many great bands there?"
While it is true that it's a tough musician's world out there where every band from all over the world is competing for the attention of fans, I've found that the following step-by-step approach works best (and rapidly) in winning over the global market. And it will definitely work for you too!!!!





1. GET RID OF YOUR WHINING AND START GETTING CREATIVE
The simple answer is this: A large number of Singaporean musicians mostly cling onto the pessimist's way of thinking. A pessimistic person always looks at the obstacles first and begins the journey feeling discouraged.

That is the wrong approach and one that will guarantee failure in any field - NOT just the music industry. You have already failed if you begin your career thinking that you'll fail. You've already failed if you are not willing to adapt from the old-school style of promotion into the new revolution that is happening around the world. You have already failed if you are stuck in the past and refuse to bulge and put your weight into this new form of highly effective marketing.

So my simple suggestion is this; think OUTSIDE of the box, and work OUTSIDE of your safety zone.

Fact: Promoting online costs a fraction of the cost of printing flyers, and takes up a fraction of your time compared to having to cuddle and suck up to the media for exposure, recognition and popularity within Singapore. Promotion online also reaps greater and quicker benefits compared to playing 100 free shows in a year.





2. FINDING YOUR TARGET MARKET
How many times have musicians hear clicked on that beautiful SEARCH button on their social networking sites?

FACT: A filtered search of people around the world with musical interests that are the same as yours will produce the quickest response. A search for fans of bands who sound like yours will most likely lead to them liking (and purchasing) your music too.

For example, a filtered search of fans who like, say, My Chemical Romance, will produce several MILLION profile hits on MySpace alone, not to mention the huge number of OTHER social networking sites online.

If you take the time to message a hundred of these users a day and ask them to check out your music, I can almost guarantee you that half of that number will take the step to visit and listen to your music, with about half that number becoming fans. That's approximately a 1/4 success rate, which isn't half bad considering you're working with the tens of thousands here.

But let's be serious.
Out of 1/4 of these converted fans, perhaps 1/4 of those will actually purchase your album or music online (given the high rate of illegal file sharing)
But because you are working with such bulky numbers, the result will still lead to a significant and very rapid increase in support for your band (Let's not forget the most powerful promotional tool of all - the word of mouth!)

But here's the golden trick to sustaining a high ratio of converted fans vs. mass messaging.

BE PERSONAL!!!!

This is the most tedious step in all your online promotions but it is the MOST important.

ASTRONINJA has always made it a point to find out a person's ACTUAL NAME first before sending them a message, asking them to check out our music. We read every single profile we visit, find out their personal interests (like their favourite movies, songs, etc) before we even click on the COMMENT button/

What this does is create a connection between you and the fan. It shows that you have taken that extra bit of effort to reach out to them, to show that you're just like them, and to show that you're willing to invest the time to get to know them. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that by showing genuine interest in their lives, THEY will show genuine interest in the music you are playing and could perhaps be turned into a loyal fan.





3. BE RESOURCEFUL!
It is extremely important to be resourceful in your approach. Opportunities do not come to slackers and it is in seeking that you will find the success you are looking for.

In just the space of 3 short months, ASTRONINJA has had our music forwarded to SONY PLAYSTATION and THQ for consideration of placement into their video games. We’ve done interviews with various independent publications and have also been approached to be added onto the playlist of radio stations in the US in six different states. Fans have also taken their own initiative into including their own stories of us in their college publications.

All these opportunities came about from being resourceful – which is something all of us are capable of doing if everyone puts the time into it! But to make life a bit easier, here are some useful links you should seriously consider checking out to further your music exposure on a global scale 
 
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RESOURCES:
www.taxi.com
Think of TAXI as your online licensing partner.
What they do is collect a pool of music from indie artists and forward them to clients, usually big companies. Big companies approach TAXI when they have big projects or are looking to sign artists. Indie artists submit their songs exclusively through TAXI, TAXI evaluates if the songs fit the projects, and then forwards them directly to the big companies. Most big companies DO NOT accept unsolicited material, so places like TAXI will help you officially submit your songs in the right way.

But TAXI is not the only company of its kind on the Internet.
Do a Google search on ‘Online licensing indie’ and you’ll hit several others.


www.cdbaby.com
They are the #1 online indie distribution company with 150,000 shoppers visiting their site daily. All you have to do is send your albums to them, and they’ll do the messy work of shipping to buyers. Once you join CDBaby as a member and send your music over, they will also handle you digital distribution to iTunes, Rhapsody, MSN Music and more. The best part is that from every sale you make, YOU get the lions share of the sales. So it’s a winning situation for you. I strongly encourage every musician reading this to check out the site and consider joining up.

But yet again, they are not the only ones who provide such services.  Also check out

www.interpunk.com
www.smartpunk.com

And if you want to get on iTunes, along with 9 of the MOST POPULAR digital distribution sites which have given out in access of 100 MILLION dollars in sales profits, go to
www.tunecore.com

And you can check out this review site of suggested places to sell your music online.
www.bandpromoting.com/
And
www.bandseyeview.com/
(Don’t be lazy! READ!)



www.indiebible.com
The magic book which contains the direct contact and listing of THOUSANDS of services which musicians can seriously consider. Touring agents, promotion companies, indie labels, online websites, college radios, indie magazines, etc – most of which would GLADLY welcome submissions from you. I’m not exaggerating when I say thousands – there are listings from ALL OVER THE WORLD in this one book. So do yourself a favour and check it out today. It has greatly benefited us and it will greatly benefit you.



www.musicbizacademy.com/bookstore/htpromotemusic.htm
HOW TO PROMOTE YOUR MUSIC SUCCESSFULLY ON THE INTERNET
Written by a guy who started out working some 9-5 job before making a living out of being an indie musician. He now earns a more than modest $8,000 a month.
I’ve read dozens of books and I must say, this is by far the best one. Inspiring!
It teaches you how to create MULTIPLE STREAMS OF INCOME, how to navigate your way through the good and bad resources, and how to sustain yourself as an independent musician.


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4. BE INDEPENDENT!
Independence is empowering but with empowerment comes personal responsibility. What this means is walking the walk and not just talking the talk.

Because you are competing on a global scale, QUALITY CONTROL OF YOUR PRODUCT is key! You can promote the hell out of everything but it matters little if your product is not worth its price. Be your harshest critic! Demos are NOT good enough to debut on the Internet, unfinished songs are not the way to go too.

While I understand that many bands are eager to let the world hear their music, it’s important to think on a wider level (beyond just impressing your friends in your indie scene circle)

You only get ONE CHANCE to give a strong impression of your band to the world.
Once you miss that opportunity to impress a potential fan and win them over with their support, your second chance will be less than likely.

This also involves taking pride in your image. Even if you’re a T-shirts and jeans band, you can still present your band in a good and professional approach. This includes the design of your artwork, the design of your MySpace and other profiles (check out www.bandspaces.com while you’re at it!!!!) Think of the things that have impressed you in the past and emulate (but don’t imitate them)

Lastly and most importantly of all, keep up the routine of promotions and adapt when times change. If you’re starting from the very bottom, be very aware that nobody will give a damn about your music if you don’t dare to put yourself out there. Be thick-skinned but don’t be arrogant, be confident but don’t gloat. . The industry doesn’t have time to wait on the shy.

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CONCLUSION!! (takes breath!!!)
Online promotion is the KEY to putting Singapore on the global music map. It goes beyond the little grievances we’ve been complaining about for years. And the best part is; the infrastructure is ALREADY THERE for you to utilize.

And I know a few of you will be saying, “But what about winning over the majority of Singaporeans first? What about doing our nation proud?” YES, that is part of the end goal of online promotions. Once you achieve an increased amount of recognition on the outside, people on the inside will soon take notice. This was true with Stef Sun, it was true with Tanya Chua, it’s true with The Suns, and it is true with you.

As for doing your country proud, in time to come, wouldn’t it be awesome if you talked to a foreigner about Singapore and they go “Oh yes, that’s where Band ABC comes from right?” instead of “Oh, you guys ban bubblegum right?”

This is the revolution that we HAVE to start working towards. It’s happening in many parts of the world now but has yet to be fully realized within Singapore. GET RID of your old school scene kid mentality. GET RID of your dated philosophies on success as a Singaporean band, and put yourself out there for the world to see.

So do we need a LOCAL SCENE MOVEMENT? YES! We do! But we have to move in the RIGHT DIRECTION, rather than move in the wrong direction and keep hitting our heads against the same walls!

So what the hell are you waiting for already? GET OFF YOUR ASS AND DO IT NOW!

Yours,
Levan
www.myspace.com/astroninary
www.vampirefreaks.com/astroninjaband

P.S. If response to this SUPER LONG post is positive, I’ll gladly post more links and resources to share with everyone 

Should I post this as a new thread on the main forums?
Oh yes, please give me REP POINTS pls. I think I deserve it in this case haha lol! :D
 
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