Ultrasound @ The Arts House Chamber 13 July 12noon to 10.30pm

all i can say is that if your not prepared to make some sacrifices for the music you play then don't expect to go far



I TOTALLY AGREE ! IF U DUN SACRIFICE, SINGAPORE MUSIC SCENE WILL FOREVER BE DEAD.
U CAN BUY YOUR FENDERS AND IBANEZ, WHY CANT YOU STOP WHINING ABT THE TIX ?





and i hate it . why can't these " YP " jus respect the organisers ??!
Jus a little sacrifice, trust me, you will go far.



"yp" = Young people who think theyre old timers.
 
Seriously, after reading all the debate that has been going on, i can only deduce, bands dont wanna sell tickets or more so unreasonable to pay for the unsold.
Before anything else, just wanna say that my band have played for the ultrasound/rockon gigs before. Experience is definitely invaluable. Feedback is invaluable. Im am discussing in a neutral point of view and not siding anyone.

1) Regarding the tickets o0
Look, to the bands who have this issue. If everyone actually bothers to notice, Mr. Nick, posts his gig notification way way before the gig. During the time frame, one can actually go ask around first, if any of your friends want to come and watch etc. then decide on whether u all wanna play the gig if enough people have been gathered/agreed to come/even book tickets from you(believe me it happened to me once). From the organizer's point of view, if they(organizers) have looked through every possible angle to cut cost and deliver, then one must accept the fact that the tickets are used to pay off every gig organized. At the end of the day, look at yourself first, is your band ready to perform, then look for friends. When you got the people then confirm with the organizer that u want to play. Its something like doing your homework ( sorry if my analogy is bad ). One has gotta look at the situation, consider all factors then make a decisive choice. Thats what my band and i do. For all the gigs that my band has played for ultrasound/rockon there was only once that we had to pay off 17 unsold tickets by our ownself, painful but heck, we just moved on. Dont forget, you are still playing to the others who came to watch their friend's band. Belive me majority stays. Even more so if you are the first few bands to play. The crowd is there to watch you.

2) Equipment
I have to agree, that the equipment is not really favourable. Drummers are always complaining the set moves when they play. Imagine if a really hardcore band plays. 90% chance the set will topple( taking the arts house platform for example ). The amps are sometimes faulty and the tone doesnt compliment the acoustics for the area. But who are we to complain. We can only feedback. Tell the organiser, recommend the organiser. By the way Nick, i forgot to recommend you o'lando's jamming studio in thomson. They offer equipment rental. They have grestch drumsets and stacks for rent at a more or less reasonable charge. The exact price you will have to contact them. But KEEP THIS IN MIND, its not like we have much of a choice and WE ARE NOT BIGSHOTS! Thus, we do not have the right to say "man we should have super high end amps in there super high end this and that" if everything was that high end, we'd all be playing in a major gig(ala singfest 2008 where ppl pay 300bucks for the weekend passes woot)!! Ain't that great xD
Jokes aside, even if we do have the best equipment ever, it would mean 2 things ampilfiying the great music one can play or the great suckiness that will come out. I rmb someone mentioned an expensive guitar and a carpet full of effects are not going to make you play like Paul Gilbert. In the hands of a well-experienced player, yes its going to make the sound even sweeter, but to an inexperienced padawan, it's just going to make him/her stab oneself. What i normally do in situations with equipment not to thy advantage? Make use of the setup time. I will look at the amp deduce the best possible setting play with it for as along as time allows find the sweetest spot i can find. The crappiest amp can made to sound as sweet as heaven once tweaked correctly. So advice to bands, if the organiser does not state what the equipment provided are, adapt quickly, think fast, move fast. If they list the equipment to the bands, even better do some research. Go to youtube or something look up for demos for the equipment. DO YOUR HOMEWORK.

3) Auditions? No Auditions? Demos? Blah?
Thats the whole point of it all isn't it. It's solely meant as open platform for bands who have nowhere to showcase the talent. If one hasnt realised this yet, Ultrasound/Rockon is probably one of the most accessible gigs for talents to showcase what they are capable of to the masses. Nick is not there to judge, heck if he were to comment on what my band plays, id really be interested in what he says. =3
Most of the time, all the bands that go up there to play, all play covers. Bands who want to perform should know their calibre. What's my take? i say go up there rock with all your heart and take constructive criticism to improve. Its closed minded people who dont move on. If one is really serious about music, take every praise and every insult, move on and improve.
So i say this again, think about it this way, the band is not a one person thing, its the group thing, discuss with your fellow mates, are we ready to hit the stage? If you are, be confident, go up there strut your stuff, if comments come your way all the better, cause you know people do listen and they want to either help you or just give you some encouragement.

4) Final Say
All this debate, one can really see the naive bands out there. Think for yourselves. Us as human beings have the freedom of choice. Once you agree to something like this ultrasound/rockon gig your choices are put to a list and you have to work with it. Thats why i say, choose wisely. If you want to do the gig abide, if you dont, then heck care. Dont even bother. If curious ask, its not like they are going to charge you money for asking questions, only the phone companies will =3
For the new bands, change your mindset, be an open canvas. Starting out is the hardest thing ever, believe me, my band didnt have the most pleasant time, mentally and financially. So what about the tickets, so what about the equipment, the main thing all along is that you wanna make your music heard or show to the masses that your band has the capability of covering songs well etc. Wasn't this all about the music? Look at all the debates, tickets this, tickets that, pay this, pay that, equipment this, equipment that, organizer this, organizer that. Lemme ask you all, what happened to the music? If one is thinking about moving the SG music scene up, one shouldnt let the minor things hinder you. Overcome every obstacle. In the SG music scene, it is so damm damm damm damm damm damm freaking hard to make thy bands known. But now there is a small platform for one to start. If one plans on starting big straight away, either have a lot of cajones(mexican for balls) or has an IQ of 300. Everyone starts out small. So if you manage to play the gig. Play it with everything uve got. Just wow the audience as much as you can. Dont tell me u just want your friends to notice you. What abou the other band's supporters and the other bands themselves, they will listen to ur play and notice you, they are human too. Who knows if your music appeals to them, you have just got yourselves more fans and supporters. Believe me even at small time gigs, record labels have sent ppl to look ard the scene. YOU NEVER KNOW! So play your heart out, rock your heart out. U have the stage, TAKE CHARGE!!
For the experienced bands, we all should know all this by now. we know where we stand. We know how to handle ourselves. Gigged enough to know all the happenings abt the local music scene.
My final sentence, we are humans, we have the ability to CHOOSE, a band formed by humans have the freedom to CHOOSE what they WANT TO DO, so think what you wanna ACCOMPLISH IN MUSIC then follow through with the APPROPRIATE ACTION. Thank you for reading.
 
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to zax, i dont have bad english.This is a forum and 'internet talks' always have errors unless you're typing a formal letter or anything formal.
You should hear how some westerners and europeans talk english.

prepared to made sacrifices are true.very true.but only to a certain extend.
nobody said they are not ready to make sacrifices for priceless experience,bonding and blah etc.

my band made sacrifices too.and not that we did asked our mates to come cause we knew every event is up-for-notice way b4 performance date.but some of them could not make it after we got a place for the gigs and tixs.
we also do fork out our money for balance tix. and our main reasons are not whining or wat-so -ever.we only want our problems heard and awared to others.i speak on behalf of my mates from diff bands too.that's all.


sacrifice itself is a big thing to carry out but what's not worth without it.right?
organizers do sacrifice much too..right.we all know that.all bands know.
we don't want/asked for any fancy equipments and that which makes us looks like BIGSHOTS whereas we are just a bloomers.a good equipment not spoilt.decent drumset with no defaults unless some ass from the performance spoilt the equipments themselves.well accident do happen.

We understand part and parcel of life that nothing is perfect.but till when are we going to go on with this kind of mindset.If we know nothing is perfect,why not try or do to make it at least close to perfect.we do not even get apology when we get this kind of equipments when we have yet sold all the tix or pay the balance.they did not even warn us to be careful of the set.

when we are already on stage,we are not prepared for the worst.The shock got to us like a damaging aura.and there we have shortage of performance time being a 'technician',despite previous band had already done so,but when they perform,the damage rise again...Ultrasound/rockon are good gigs and quite big event with its guestlist coming.why let them waste time seeing us doing something we should not had.when bands are already good and well prepared but have this equipments,not fair to them.

Standby 2 or 3 techman near the stage area.Briefing us of the probs or defaults if there is any.and prepared the equipments for us bcoz we have done our part preparing to perform the best for the gig,audiences.for example like performance at powerhouse,or band competitions.people will respect this kind of organization who treats the performers well.

At arts house we were facing difficulties,some organizers just peep to take a look while we have to adjust here and there.went to have a look at front door,they were enjoying their pizzas,more than 4 of them. u have break time in b/w the gig.inform audience and bands about break time and have your lunch.we hope this things does not happen again.just assign jobs for each members of the organizing team and it will be great.

it is a good move you made,teaching bands,giving tips on how to promote their bands before their gigs,really awesome.but after we take our tix and nearing the gig?. supposed to be--when we take our tix from you guys.yep.be reminded.great.

Lastly,we all have different views and opinions on this issues and events.but , speaking is the TRUTH. If we all are ready to make changes then it is cool.
Even the govt. or MPs accept views and went on to make things clear and talk it out.Proving(actions) is believing.not seeing anymore.

organizers made it clear.YES.but must also try to really help boost the $$ down bands,why are they so helpless in this situation.vice versa in this issue.

oh yeah,we buy good guitars bcoz it is true good guitars just make one a better guitarist.if not why make good and expensive guitars so that only the rich could buy?.nope.we sacrifice money to buy good gadgets so that audience could enjoy good music.dont tell me your gonna use semi acoustic to perform hardcore or metal.a true review.

ok enjoy what you have to say.this is open.very.


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aint no sunshine
when there's rain?
find your own and keep it,that way you'll have light
in every darkness.
 
wait guys, seriusly, what do you mean by the singapore music scene will be forever dead if we don't sacrifice? what do you mean by it being dead?

In my opinion. the singapore music scene is dead, because there just isn't a big enough market for music in singapore, and a smaller one for the local scene. this is due to insufficient advertisements and publications. not because of per se, sacrifices. if there are sacrifices to be made. it should be the organisers doing more advertisments.
 
erm Ryan , yes its bad . Also we do not talk english , we speak english.
Why not you give us a myspace link or something along those lines so we can hear for ourselves whether your band has talent to begin with .
 
why only think that the organisers should make sacrifices? is there any band which is bigger than an organiser who is kind enough to invite you to grace their stage? if the band itself is not willing to go the extra mile, i don't see why an organiser should do the very same.

talent is subjective. some prize technicality, others might prize feel alot more. i can do a three chord song really well, it's just F G Am all the way, and you can tell me that the simplicity of my song just isn't good enough for you. but is it?

it's unfortuante that bands and songs in general are too often judged by the amount of technical difficulty required to perform a song.
 
lol even iron maiden had to advert themselves in the papers to sell tix.true its all about sacrifices ha,but of course la u screw up once should noe wads bad so learn from it.thats sarifice to screw up and get back up again.but well sacrifice in singapore aint enough man.no kids will give a hoot.we can say we dig our pockets to pay for our own tix and organiser that and this.but till our people can support their local talents only till then wil our sacrifice be worthwhile.no use to have a sacrifice in vain.kudos to those who tried to amke a difrrence though.cheers
 
not really. look at thambi k-seow for example. their songs technically aren't difficult. their songs are entertaining. always get a kick outta listening to them.
 
i am not saying everyone only appreciates technical performances, it's just a general trait (i would prefer to say problem) that people have sometimes.
 
not really. look at thambi k-seow for example. their songs technically aren't difficult. their songs are entertaining. always get a kick outta listening to them.

Hey bro, Im the TKS drummer and i believe, If it's technical we aint playing it' :) rock and roll bro
 
why all so angry?
why cant we all just play music and have fuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnn???

and i kinda agree to some of you guys abt decreasing the cost of tickets..
i mean, most of those attending to the gigs that you guys organise are kids and hearing on how much the tickets gonna cost will affect their mindset of whether to go for the gig or not..

example...
you're a 15 yr old kid with weekly allowance of about lets say 25 to 30 bucks per week...
and you got to know there's two gigs coming up at the end of the month..
one gig costs 10bucks
the other costs 5 bucks..

its an obvious choice for the teenager considering the cost of the tickets...
unless he/she doesnt mind paying extra to see his/her fav band playing at the more expensive show

honestly, i got a band of myself and yea, at first, we did struggle to get shows and had to pay to play..
it was tough..
no doubt about that..

what im trying to say is that for the new bands, you gotta struggle hard before you can make it big...
you gotta sacrifice something in return of getting some respect in the scene...(which is in this case, you gotta sacrifice your money..)

MAYBE the organisers NEED you to pay for the unsold tix cuz they need the money to cover up the actual cost of the venue..
you never know what their reasons is for asking you to pay for the unsold tix..

but then again, if the organisers are just using the scene to make money, then yea, screw em all..

its kind of sad to see our own local scene degrading each other..
for the organisers, i think you should help the scene rather than exploit it..
singapore's not a big country like the U.S. where you can have alot of support..
our local scene is so small..
we cant afford to be fight among each other now..

i hope to see our local scene blossom with each other supporting one another..

now thats my big wish



with regards.
asshar
 
Maybe its just the organizer..... No matter what , people wont support.

Lets say a major organizing organization who let you sell the tix, the bands would definitely be interested... :)

But the thing all goes to the organizer, please do not show that you guys are seating down at home and just gather bands.

Wheres the promotion? If you guys are putting in effort in organizing a good gig, people would respect you guys and no matter how much, people is willing to pay.

Not angry or what lah, but , I'm sad over people fighting/arguing bout this.

So make some effort to promote. Even if you want some money for yourself, make it limited abit. Not too much tho. Thats if you think bout making events full time.

In any case, to bands, life's tough. Bare with it and you shall go far and further. And tour the world with your music!


PS: GST OFFSET PAYOUT COMING!!!! Time to use the money for gig making!
 
i wanna hear ryan's band .

Oh man... all the while i thought the ryan was the ryan from my band! AHAHAHAHA!
Brother relax ah... its the main point that matters. He tried speaking it... maybe some minor glitches here and there... its much better then many people who use the wrong connotation and grammar from wrong wrong sentences man! ahahaha... relax... you seem like you are going to KILL. DESTROY. PLUNDER!!

Lets just look into the matter people. Nobody has a problem selling tickets... i dont. so does my band... cause we always are able to sell our tickets. infact we'd have a surplus. By looking at other bands demanding people, and their lack of supply their market equilibrium is much higher... so therefore resulting in shortage. This can be solved by increasing supply of people. (dont blame me la... tomoro i have an Economics paper to sit for and i am still studying like a maddog at this time of the night.)
Because we had extra people we just gave the people to other bands who needed it more than we do...we felt that the $50 wasnt as important as these bands which suppose to play... By letting these bands by our excess people we are helping them, the opportunity cost is that we would not have $50. But the advantage is that these bands would have an experience. I am glad that these bands had a chance to play. Honestly, we really care about the scene here. We could have thought about the money. but heck!

Btw bro... If we dont spend on our Fender or Ibanez what brand do you expect us to use? Some unknown SX guitar? (not saying its bad la) hehe.. We need these instruments la bro... maybe to some they may say "no need la... is the playing thats important" true... and to those ultra rich kids... its really annoying to see them holding a damn good guitar and pedals and amps when they cant play nuts!!! hahahaha... its quite weird... you kinda freaked me out cause both me and my guitarist use ibanez... AND WE USED TO USE FENDER AS WELL!! AHHAHAHAHA!
 
i am not saying everyone only appreciates technical performances, it's just a general trait (i would prefer to say problem) that people have sometimes.


Correct la.... Necrophagist is !@#$ing technical... i would be blown away.. but i dont get ANY form of feeling listening to them... not even ONE EMOTION... i cant even get angry even though the guy is growling is buttcheeks off... but they are definitely bloody good!
 
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