Ultrasound @ The Arts House Chamber 13 July 12noon to 10.30pm

[Tharenii]

when will this whole thing end balls?
your band no good noone know you you expect people to pay for a place to give you a chance to play? your band has no rep new band you expect people to invite you to play for a gig?

there are over 300 bands on myspace that are locally unsigned, with 3/4 of them being new bands. yet expecting people to recognise you is a totally negligence on your part.

by having this, is to give an opportunity to let you play, to get more fans. and really honestly, if bringing in a crowd of 25 is not possible, you either need to make more friends or improve your music or maybe change a choice of interest.

people like you guys are having the mindset of a musician that has already made it. Ask the local bands that have made it how they started out. I know one band that had to beg for gigs. BEG. and here people are giving you a chance to play. Example, WhatLah! does ticket sellng too and his gigs has been a success. so does many other gigs. i dont see why you guys are so biased over this.


anyway no matter how many times anyone tries to explain nthing's gonna change. so this is the last time as I an organiser myself will ever mention this. maybe some of you just need to wake up and start to see where your music is bringing you and whether you should just sit and do nothing about it.

if you guys like to complain and seem so witty about all these, go organise your own gig and see if it actually seems to easy.

naomi

Point. evidence. comment.
First thing i learnt in GP lesson. I dont remember saying my band was good and that i want people to recognise us. Read my post carefully. I am not totally negligent on my part. I am aware you need a platform. Finding 25 people really isnt hard... we dont have a mentality that we've made it anywhere (maybe thats my band). As an organiser you have a part to play as well. I've talked to many bands that have made it. All of them said the same thing "never play in a gig that would make you pay to play..". I dont wish to mention names.

I dont remember saying anything wrong about selling tickets... the main point we are focusing on is having to PAY for unsold tickets.
If you do think the bands dont play that good why are they playing?
If you are trying showcase these bands, Why pay for unsold tickets?
If you are looking at quantity not the quality then this is not helping the music scene this is just tarnishing the scene and showcasing a bunch of mediocre bands.

We are young aspiring musicians who dont get pocket money more than $5 a day. We are willing to learn from others and learn from our mistakes. I understand we are a young band and have LONG LONG way to go. Helping sell tickets is really fine... but PAYING FOR UNSOLD TICKETS? Being a new band we seek organizers for a platform to play in public. I think you should be well versed about exploitation, and this is a demonstration of exploitation.
Just as we are very passionate about our music, are you passionate about the LOCAL SCENE?
As much as we are a new band, you are a new organisation.
Where would you show be if these so-called "no good bands" who played for your show refused to play?
Could you answer us the reason for paying for unsold tickets?
We just want an answer.

Not to be snobbish or anything.. Naomi.. Before you criticize other bands, just a self-improvement tip.. You really got to improve your English. i swear it took me 10 minutes to decode what you have said because of the horrendous English. I felt like i was solving a Rubik's cube. Next time keep a dictionary next to you. Perhaps you should just pay attention in English class and get your grammar correct. Horrible English is going to subject you to ridicule =) just a friendly tip.

 

[biopromax]

Well, heard alot bout whatlah nowadays!

Well...

To be really make everyone happy bout this, lemme share a tips to every organizers in Singapore..

1) Make an effort to approach venues/marketing side / equipments side for help.
2) Produce a good proposal.
3) Make sure, that they can see that you really love music and don't think money and what do they benefit from these. (as of yet till the local music is known worldwide) hehx.
I know everyone here needs money, I understand, sometimes me myself needs ALOT of money.
4) Convince to them that, we are all doing this to promote the local scene and we love music.
[ Please do not put on an act ] [ be sincere to yourself as well as others ]
5) Work well with the sponsors / partners / helpers / bands / etc. Everyone will be happy.
6) PROMOTE!
7) Last, no matter how expensive the tickets cost you , if the bands are good or they know your band got potentials, they will definitely go. Trust me.


Last but not the least, if you guys are trying hard to understand what Im talking about, Im sorry. I just got back home from Something Really Good 08 gig.

Cheers.

Raman.

 

[Freeflowclass]

basically if youre good enough you wont complain if you had to sell tickets. this is like a platform for newer bands that dont have enough exposure and giving them a chance to play. hey you play music dont tell me you expect everything to be smooth sailing for you right?


and tharenii i dont mean to be snobbish either but i have helped/ co-org/ org a few of the biggest concerts/ gigs in singapore for the past 3 years and im in a band myself so think of that k.

im not gonna defend myself here and ruin this thread anymore. happy being unhappy!

 

[visa]

I both play in a band and have organized gigs before, and here's what I have to say-

Take charge for your own success and don't depend on anybody else. If you don't like how things are done, be proactive and do things your own way.

Nobody is entitled to ANYTHING- if you want to be treated well, you have to earn it. If you know you are going to be treated badly, well, you don't need to work with people you don't want to work with. This applies to everything, not just music, bands and organizers.

I've played about 5 shows where we've had to sell tickets and pay for unsold tickets- and 3 out of those 5 shows, we sold all the tickets. The other couple of times, we simply didn't push hard enough, and just looked at the money as an investment. I think we've spent less than a hundred bucks on unsold tickets so far, which isn't too shabby. Gig experience is priceless.

On the other side of the coin, I've organized gigs where I allowed bands to sell as much as they could- and i've had bands selling ONE ticket and demanding EIGHT names on the guestlist.

Go figure.

 

[ziggyharrissonmurdock]

no commission .. no allowance .. what do these bands get ?
bollocks mate ... bollocks ...

 

[zax]

eh thats a good point Visa, gig experience is priceless

 

[zax]

basically if youre good enough you wont complain if you had to sell tickets. this is like a platform for newer bands that dont have enough exposure and giving them a chance to play. hey you play music dont tell me you expect everything to be smooth sailing for you right?


and tharenii i dont mean to be snobbish either but i have helped/ co-org/ org a few of the biggest concerts/ gigs in singapore for the past 3 years and im in a band myself so think of that k.

im not gonna defend myself here and ruin this thread anymore. happy being unhappy!

haha the bukkake udon song is still on the top of my ipod 25 most played songs hahaha . its damn good la woo ASTRONINJA

 

[marthafock]

if ur band's new.. it's hard to get that kick start. it's really hard.. but it's that first few stepping stones that helps u get somewhere in e end..

there are other options but u have to be patient and u do have to broaden ur network as well ar ur band's network too.. u dun wanna pay to play.. also can. but u need to get in touch with gig organizers who do offer bands to play without the need of payment.

n next.. if u're a new band.. be humble la. wanna play big place la.. big shows la.. equipments muz be those high end ones la.. u dun deserve to go anywhere let me assure u that. an expensive guitar and a pedal board the size of a carpet filled with all kinds of pedals does not make u a great guitarist. remember that.

and another thing.. dun expect payment. even if u think or u noe that organizers make money out of their shows.. it's the organizers' problem what they do with that money. u neva noe that the purpose of the profits gain is for their fund for a better show in the future.

u got choices.. dun complain so much la.. work hard.

 

[myner]

n next.. if u're a new band.. be humble la. wanna play big place la.. big shows la.. equipments muz be those high end ones la.. u dun deserve to go anywhere let me assure u that. an expensive guitar and a pedal board the size of a carpet filled with all kinds of pedals does not make u a great guitarist. remember that.

We're not asking for expansive guitars. nor are we asking for pedal boards.
We are asking for equipment that doesn't screw up half way...

A list from a drummers point of view.
1) the drumset keeps moving back, because the carpet you put it on doesn't go around the entire kit, it has to go around the entire thing, even the throne.

2) the cymbal stands look and feel like they're gona fall apart. I brought my own cymbals to put on, but when i saw the stands, one even WITHOUT felt. I'd rather not.

3) the snare stand was super super super faulty. It couldn't even stand properly. the snare basket kept falling over because of the screws and nuts to be faulty. i tried tightening it, but with no avail. my drum tech had to keep dashing behind me to hold up the snare.

Please marthafock
if you've played there you know.
thanks for your opinion. i truly agree with the "expansive equipment doesn't make a good musician" theory anyway.

 

[marthafock]

We're not asking for expansive guitars. nor are we asking for pedal boards.
We are asking for equipment that doesn't screw up half way...

A list from a drummers point of view.
1) the drumset keeps moving back, because the carpet you put it on doesn't go around the entire kit, it has to go around the entire thing, even the throne.

2) the cymbal stands look and feel like they're gona fall apart. I brought my own cymbals to put on, but when i saw the stands, one even WITHOUT felt. I'd rather not.

3) the snare stand was super super super faulty. It couldn't even stand properly. the snare basket kept falling over because of the screws and nuts to be faulty. i tried tightening it, but with no avail. my drum tech had to keep dashing behind me to hold up the snare.

Please marthafock
if you've played there you know.
thanks for your opinion. i truly agree with the "expansive equipment doesn't make a good musician" theory anyway.

oh well.. that i have to say is a drummer's bad day.. and the organizers could have at least apologise abt it i suppose?

ahahaha..

i noe how it feels.. but yea.. part and parcel.. kekeke..

be greatful and e next time u play it might be a nice set of drums.. muz have faith brudder.. most of the shows and jamming studios u have to take note, the instruments are like prostitutes.. if u get what i mean..~

 

[myner]

lol kinda true..

 

[visa]

every prominent band out there has, at some point in time, been forced to play with lousy/bad equipment.

again, in the long run, it's all good experience.

 

[Tharenii]

basically if youre good enough you wont complain if you had to sell tickets. this is like a platform for newer bands that dont have enough exposure and giving them a chance to play. hey you play music dont tell me you expect everything to be smooth sailing for you right?


and tharenii i dont mean to be snobbish either but i have helped/ co-org/ org a few of the biggest concerts/ gigs in singapore for the past 3 years and im in a band myself so think of that k.

im not gonna defend myself here and ruin this thread anymore. happy being unhappy!

But you still dont get the FOCUS of this conversation. the focus is why pay for unsold tickets not whether we suppose to sell or not! =)
I too have been in the music scene for the past 3 years.
Just for a reference what big gigs have you organised?

 

[RyanJ]

basically if youre good enough you wont complain if you had to sell tickets. this is like a platform for newer bands that dont have enough exposure and giving them a chance to play. hey you play music dont tell me you expect everything to be smooth sailing for you right?


and tharenii i dont mean to be snobbish either but i have helped/ co-org/ org a few of the biggest concerts/ gigs in singapore for the past 3 years and im in a band myself so think of that k.

im not gonna defend myself here and ruin this thread anymore. happy being unhappy!

I don't think anyone is really bothered about selling tickets. The issue is paying for the unsold tickets. Heck, even good bands I know have trouble selling tickets some times.

 

[john_dzite]

Like what a person i know really really really well always say... A bad experience is a good experience.

 

[visa]

I don't think anyone is really bothered about selling tickets. The issue is paying for the unsold tickets. Heck, even good bands I know have trouble selling tickets some times.

that's because being good at what you do doesn't automatically make you well known!

this is why there are so many good bands that don't seem to have any supporters. you have to go out there yourself and get them!

 

[RyanJ]

that's because being good at what you do doesn't automatically make you well known!

this is why there are so many good bands that don't seem to have any supporters. you have to go out there yourself and get them!

good as in well known. my bad for not making it clear . but its true, go out hawk yourselves to others thru demos, myspace, etc.. you never know what might happen

MySpace.com - D.E.M - Singapore - Metal / Death Metal - www.myspace.com/demsg

 

[visa]

well if you're well known, then you need to be good as well! =p

you say you "never know what might happen" if you promote your band.

well, you know EXACTLY what's going to happen if you don't- nobody's going to show up!

 

[zax]

haha i'll go for Ryan's show anyday man

 

[rayycnk]

yo

yeapp. i agree. why shud we pay the unsold tix? bcos my band didnt manage to sell half the tix.

we got to play for just freaking 15 mins whereby we were actually given 30mins.

like shazzni says. daylight robbery.

peace