Ultrasound@PLAYDEN 18April09 12noonto11pm 22 nonstopbands

Why are people so stupid signing up for this gig... i tell you what this prick made my band do...

play to a !@#$ing empty room at !@#$ing 1145pm on a sunday.. He is intellectually disabled. Hold your horses nick.. you are going down!

Just boycott this gig... those who have signed up.. dont turn up.. there is nothing he can do. (Reason for absence: Cant sell tickets finish sorry lor)
 
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why are people so stupid signing up for this gig... I tell you what this prick made my band do...

Play to a !@#$ing empty room at !@#$ing 1145pm on a sunday.. He is intellectually disabled. Hold your horses nick.. You are going down!

Just boycott this gig... Those who have signed up.. Dont turn up.. There is nothing he can do. (reason for absence: Cant sell tickets finish sorry lor)

very good idea ---> don't turn up!!!
 
hahah. NOO i was wondering if anyone wants to see them? SURVEYING.! if the response is good we may bring them down.

anyway i think the bands participating over here dont understand that by associating with an organization that everyone think is crap = tarnishing their own band brand. haha
 
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i think the ones who signed up are new to this forum & nvr really see other gig opportunities which are 289792 better.
please boycott the gig guys.
 
Personal Opinion from neutral point on this issue.

I've been playing for this ultrasound gig thingy for like 4 times alrdy??
Not saying my whole band's very happy with the equipment to start with? Or the idea of his 'invalid' contract, and high price of tickets and the huge amount of tickets to be sold.
I'm play the guitars in a very young and new rock n roll band, personally i know we're not good, yet.
My band's made up of 5 members, youngest when we 1st started playing with ultrasound last year at 13 years old, now 14years old, my drummer.
I'm the oldest and i'm 17 years old. Yeah too much info but you'll know why later on as i share my opinion.

Well, honestly i think that the organizer is earning tons, but hey who does'nt want to earn money right? Oh maybe yeah the idea of presale at a lesser price would be good or designing a web banner would be at least done or something?? Yeah anyways, it costs so cheap to design web banners etc, yeah?? But surely not at the expense of young one's.

Now, the thing is.. The contract may be void, cos it's like an unregistered company or something? But hey, its on written paper.. i mean it's good that people here are trying to tell younger bands like mine to avoid getting exploited from this organizer, but i strongly believe that since it's like a promise made with the organizer even if he's cheating you, you still promised right? Personally this whole event, 22 bands get to play and not majority are so called the better bands etc.. So obviously they'll sell their tickets to their friends and would sure to find problems selling the tickets.. Which i have been through and ended up paying like alot! I mean ALOT for unsold tickets, well still i believe in keeping my promises so i find no reason to argue or whatsoever, Even with full knowledge that if this piece of paper(contract) were to be brought to the police, they would not take any action since it's dealing with money matters you'll have to hire a lawyer etc, and what not?
But look, we're singaporeans and this is typical of us complaining about every small thing, we all want to make it big.


I can still remember clearly, Wayne Thunder a honorable person sharing his opinion on soft about gas haus? A few years back??
Okay, now i'll go about the equipment section.. In singapore we have drums and amps and P.A systems wherever we go and play gigs, and even in jamming studios.. In america, you have to PAY to play, and have to bring your drums your amps your own PA systems... Same as austrailia..
So, Why are we complaining that oh, this amp sucks blah blah whatever not??
And yes the organizer earns alot of money, but still if you say that he's cheating etc, cross your heart ask yourself, are you not an inch jeolous that he's earning that much money or is it, just that you care so much about him making the scene corrupted or soemthing i read about??
Hey if you guys really care about the local music scene, Why not start by doing something's small and it takes like $0.00 to do??
I'm sure all new bands like mine would love feedbacks by those more expericenced bands.. But instead, i've seen personally people getting too obsessed with their status like in artshouse you can hear people mocking bands on stage who're playing their 1st gig... I mean you call this surpporting?? The least you could do is to at least clap la?? Playing at artshouse showed me one thing, people can pay 12bucks to seat down and sleep... why not give the bands some surpport by standing up infront even if they suck? Or when they come down the stage just have a chat or something..
Like those small things, it could really make a big difference i tell you..
I feel that if you are a musician or a supporter of the local scene, and if the people who played in live n loaded etc, who keeps going surpport the local scene etc really want to surpport the local scene, why are we downloading music? Buy cd's man! Buy the ep's of the bands you like etc! See? How are bands gonna make a living, people are downloading music this days not saying i dont, but the only way is to tour, and how are we compared to those europe bands, they're naturally more 'known' than us here in singapore.. Does that mean we suck? NO! We have talented people here.. But we're indirectly harming ourself in you own way.. So much for surpporting local music huh? When we BUY cd's of bands from other countries, rather then spending the money on local music..


So i read about young bands* exploited, yeah i think it's quite true too, like if we dont sell all the tickets we have to pay, if we have no money he'll take our i.c etc? Yeah kinda like an ah long man seriously! But hey, if you have complete knowledge knowing that if you dont sell 20 tickets you dont have to pay for whatsoever in refund etc, I'd bet outta the 22 bandds, 22 bands wont take the effort to sell! Like seriously personally i would just hack care!
So, now the ticket price.. 12bucks.. Yeah it's like the most expensive ticket ever! Without a drink etc.. But hey, 12bucks if you dotn wanna stay and watch the 22 bands, then why complain i mean the organizer's not saying you cant do that right??


Well, you see I'm playing on the 18th of april, and idk what would happen on that day i'm playing at 4.30-5.30.
Well, personally idk if there's gonna be anyone around?? HAHA But at least 20 people from the tickets we're gonna sell yeah?
The point that young kids are being exploited again, honestly if you actually watch the whole gig, the youngest player in the whole gig is from my band.. And out of the 22 bands only like 2 bands inclusive of mine has players of such young age? So the point actually driven that young kids are being exploited is funny cos i see people who are around 17 and above playing in general.. Unless 17 is still considered young? But at 17 you should be able to think what? Anyways, the best all of you guys can do is to advice your friends not to play, but i feel that if your friends are playing, why not at least try to sneak in yeah? HAHA Like seriously people are telling me that it's so easy to sneak in? Well for me i've signed the 'contract' and even if it's not valid, i'll still play, be it a shit gig or whatsoever cos i've made a deal and it's important to keep up to your moral values as a musician.
This is how i truely feel and i'm not siding anyone here and i dont think i might be playing future gigs with ultrasound unless there's something done about this issue here, but i won't skip the 18th of april. So if you've feedbacks on how i felt you can always come down for the gig and 'boycott' it in whatever manner you want to and talk to me, once again i'm Melvin from Sunsetblvd. I'm just a new player in this scene, i would like to apologise if what i have said offended anyone in anyway and i'm open to suggestions in everyway. Thank you :cool:

www.myspace.com/melvincyril
www.myspace.com/sunsetblvdsg
 
we dun want u to be cheated thats all. using ur talent to make money for himself. with that much money he earns, he could be spending more on advertising, ppl will come, might even eliminate this 'sell tickets' cock story. and with that much money he should pay bands and split evenly.
if u dun really care abt money for ur art, then u shouldnt mind abt ppl not buying YOUR cd and downloading YOUR music. if ur band goes a long way, money WILL come to play.
musicians spend their time after work just to find time to jam. kids save their lunch money to jam after school. boyfriends break up with girlfriends because they just wanna play music with their friends. band members argue among each other because one of them came late for jamming. musicians make alot of sacrifices just to play.
and you want this guy to just do one gig effortlessly and earn thousands? he didnt even have to pick up a guitar.
dun play hard, just play smart.
 
Yeah, cool.. I've personally been through what you've just said, i get your point..

It's not that we dont care about the money, I mean personally i dont expect to get payed to play at this stage.. I know your interest to help us younger bands in such a way to avoid us getting cheated yeah. But see it's cos all the band here a younger bands i believe before you get payed to play, you first have to pay to play, well it all takes alot of time to win the hearts of people.
And, no who would want people to download their music? Would you i'm sure not right, but honestly if people get to download my music i should be proud of it already.. Cos people actually want my material but if you actually see downloading local music is not as much as doing so for international artist, cos not much people actually buy the album to start with and distribute it online.. well if you try search any famous well known local band that you like, i think unless you can download it from youtube or myspace you cant find it elsewhere?
Well that's besides the point, i mean it's not that we dont care about money for our art, but honestly at this point of time, 'my art' it just cant fetch money.. World re-known musicians like scott henderson, he's also struggling in the us playing in pubs and earning minimal.. In fact these days i've personally know that many bands launching ep, they dont make money out of it.. they dont even sell enough to bare the cost of rental etc.. But you're right, however the value of the 22 band's art may be be it very very good or just a new coming band scraping through, maybe the organizer should do something about paying like what you've just said?? But of cos in a fair way too la..
 
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We're already suffering haha.. But hey, if you guys are gonna boycott this gig, then what about those young bands who can't do anything and dont even know about this thing going on here?? What if they cant sell their tickets and have to pay and play an empty room.. How bout you guys who strongly wanna boycott this gig, make a trip down for yourself and talk to those bands.. well at least prevent them from playing other ultrasound gigs if you really think it's the right thing for them, or even share your contact no. with them and try to help them, keep them posted if there're better gigs out there coming up soon?? This would be really trying to surpport and help the local scene in one way, rather then just asking them to dont play, cos i think many of them would be looking forward to this already and probably have sold a few tickets.. How're they gonna just quit this now and let they're friends or fans down? Well it's easy for you guys who're more experienced to say not to play, we all know you mean well.. but hey, put yourself in the shoes of band's which has signed up for this already.. Espieicially if they're new it's not gonna be easy for them or at least the whole band to agree to that right?? I mean, let's think will having bands not play improve anything or make the local scene better?? Unless some generous guy would organize a gig and pay for younger bands to play.. Would you do it if you have the money?? Yet again, no offence i'm trying to provide ideas to see if we all could work hand in hand to rectify the problem, but the main issue here i think is about money.. well money makes the world talk and makes missiles fly too..
 
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alamak bro, we have better things to do on a saturday then to come down and say 'dont play'. we can only say it out on a public forum at the comfort of our chair and hopefully u guys pick it up at the comfort of your own chair. or we can spread the word around.:)
personally, right now, i wouldnt mind ppl downloading my music cuz it'll only help my band's name to reach e corners of the world.
'support local' has become a catch phrase rather than a true statement.
 
Yeah.. True true.. 'Support local' has been made a cool statement already, it's propaganda, people just say it and dont do a thing..

Yeah, but like i said, no guidience whatsoever younger bands like mine would not know..
 
I would like to reinterate a point i've stated from the beginning that i would not be continuing any other gigs with this organizer(ultrasound) if he doesnt do anything about this, please be mindful that i'm not in anyone's side..
Yet again, even if i've yet to 'wake' up, it's only 1 band out of the 22 bands... Really appreciate your concern though.
 
WOAHHHH!!
is this business management or event management?!?!?!?
becos rental of that place plus equipments....
at most accumulate to $2000+.

onee band fork out $240.
$240 X 22 = $5280.
lets say round up the $2000+ total rental cost to $3000.

profit gain = $5280 - $3000 = $2280.
i can buy a motorbike for goodness sake.
OMG!
 
I would like to reinterate a point i've stated from the beginning that i would not be continuing any other gigs with this organizer(ultrasound) if he doesnt do anything about this, please be mindful that i'm not in anyone's side..
Yet again, even if i've yet to 'wake' up, it's only 1 band out of the 22 bands... Really appreciate your concern though.

Oh ic...................!!! then we shud stop debating with you and let you enjoy this gig. u might sold say 20 tickets already right? I hope u really enjoy this last gig with ultrasound. Theres no point for us to inform every other band to boycott this event or otherwise people just might get pissed that we are jealous of them getin to play gigs. :cool:
 
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