i just got a mxr distortion and it sounded great when i tried it out. but when i reached home, i realised it's buffer bypassed and it totally sucked the tone of my guitar clean. is there like a way to diy mod it to be true bypass. and if i send it to a professional, how much would it cost? i'm kinda a noob when it comes to effect pedals.
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Neh, I'm quite certain it wasn't the cable. Was using Canare GS-6 with Neutrik heads previously. After switching, the tone improved lots. Tried it with various pedals and it too improved the tone. It sort of in the effects line thing. Perhaps its improving the overal tone in the whole line due to better quality cable. Many of my friends tried it too and they all agree that with George Ls cables, their sound sounds clearer and brighter.
Try them yourself edder, and you'll understand what I mean.
Someone told me before that with 1 George Ls cable in your pedal line, you can actually sort of improve the tonal quality in your whole pedal line as the cable sort of restores loss tone that is 'sucked' by the pedals.
Try them yourself edder, and you'll understand what I mean.
Someone told me before that with 1 George Ls cable in your pedal line, you can actually sort of improve the tonal quality in your whole pedal line as the cable sort of restores loss tone that is 'sucked' by the pedals.
edder
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Well wouldn't the obvious reason for the improvement is that George L's cables are better than the Canare and Neutrik combo?
I'll maintain that cables DOES NOT improve any inherant tone suck problems resulting from non true bypass pedals. It does not solve the root of the problem.
I'll maintain that cables DOES NOT improve any inherant tone suck problems resulting from non true bypass pedals. It does not solve the root of the problem.
suckasucks
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^nah it doesnt really help.
as for true bypassing, i find MXR buffers quite acceptable.
AFAIK, its not that easy to true bypass an MXR, because the switch is mounted to the pcb. you have to cut that part off, then put in the new switch and resolder where you're supposed to..
as for true bypassing, i find MXR buffers quite acceptable.
AFAIK, its not that easy to true bypass an MXR, because the switch is mounted to the pcb. you have to cut that part off, then put in the new switch and resolder where you're supposed to..
dric
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edder's right.......your cables CANNOT improve the tone of your instrument with respect to non-true bypass tone loss, what it can do is minimise your tone loss in your OVERALL signal chain. if your talking about tone loss due to non-true bypassing, then its got nothing to do with the cable. if you use a better cable you will find that the tone loss is less than your worse cable, but the tone loss due to the non-true bypass is there. therefore, the only thing you can do if you don't like buffered bypass is to true bypass your pedal. then the tone loss will be EVEN LESSER after changing to true bypass, and EVEN EVEN LESSER after changing to better cables.
yea as suckasucks said, not easy to true bypass the newer mxr's cos the switch is pcb mounted. i had to cut out that portion of the pcb to fit in a new 3pdt into that small box just to true bypass my phase90. when u cut out must also be careful not to cut into another trace. another method would be to rehouse the pedal in a bigger enclosure, then u wont have to worry about sawing anything off.
yea as suckasucks said, not easy to true bypass the newer mxr's cos the switch is pcb mounted. i had to cut out that portion of the pcb to fit in a new 3pdt into that small box just to true bypass my phase90. when u cut out must also be careful not to cut into another trace. another method would be to rehouse the pedal in a bigger enclosure, then u wont have to worry about sawing anything off.
theblueark
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I'm confused. Aren't you guys agreeing with each other?
In my own words,
Edder says:
"You change your cable to a better one, that's why you have better tone. Not because you cancel out the buffered bypass."
symym says:
"I change the cable to a better one with many pedals and it improved the tone."
Don't they both mean that the same thing?
Change good cable = improve tone
Edder says:
"maybe your original cable have problems"
symym says:
"i used neutrik and canare, bad tone, i use george L, good tone."
Again, same thing?
Not that I agree with george L's, just pointing out the amusing discussion.
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In my own words,
Edder says:
"You change your cable to a better one, that's why you have better tone. Not because you cancel out the buffered bypass."
symym says:
"I change the cable to a better one with many pedals and it improved the tone."
Don't they both mean that the same thing?
Change good cable = improve tone
Edder says:
"maybe your original cable have problems"
symym says:
"i used neutrik and canare, bad tone, i use george L, good tone."
Again, same thing?
Not that I agree with george L's, just pointing out the amusing discussion.
GRASS IS GREEN!!
NONONO! GREEN IS THE COLOUR OF GRASS!
zakk
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any good cable cannot improve the tone.
less tone loss is good cable...
George L`s has very strong treble tone.
so U can feel like that.
My pedalboard is very big...and I`m using 12 pedals..
My main cable is Evidence Lylic.
patch cable is George L`s..
George L`s is very weak...and make some change of tone.
so I don`t like...but almost of my pedals is true-bypass..
just a few pedals are buffer-bypass...
so I use George L`s...strong treble can improve tone loss...
At last time I used Canare, Belden, Monster and more...
all cable is good...
anyway George L`s is good one...but too weak..so sometime make trouble..
So I`ll change my patch cable...to Mogami or Evidence...
less tone loss is good cable...
George L`s has very strong treble tone.
so U can feel like that.
My pedalboard is very big...and I`m using 12 pedals..
My main cable is Evidence Lylic.
patch cable is George L`s..
George L`s is very weak...and make some change of tone.
so I don`t like...but almost of my pedals is true-bypass..
just a few pedals are buffer-bypass...
so I use George L`s...strong treble can improve tone loss...
At last time I used Canare, Belden, Monster and more...
all cable is good...
anyway George L`s is good one...but too weak..so sometime make trouble..
So I`ll change my patch cable...to Mogami or Evidence...
PatheinRaindropMoe
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haha, will there be a true bypass mod for cable instead?
Having full frequecy bandwidth to pass guitar signal, inclusive radio frequency and low freq hum, but a stompswitch on the cable and ability to stomp on off to hear the different!
Having full frequecy bandwidth to pass guitar signal, inclusive radio frequency and low freq hum, but a stompswitch on the cable and ability to stomp on off to hear the different!
PatheinRaindropMoe
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is that like leg pain, changed pant, walk better or leg pain, same pant, walk harder? In the end, leg still pain?
suckasucks
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lava cables. he has a wide range of very high quality cables and plugs. but IMO, dont waste cash on cables. get a good guitar or 2, a pedalboard which you're extremely happy with(never gonna happen), and a good amp. after which then get high quality cables. a pedalboard full of danos and boss stuff arent worth cabling with lava ELCs.(no offense)
high quality cables dont help poor buffered bypasses sound better. neither true bypass pedals really. just the signal going from one pedal to the next due to the lower capacitance, you'll hear more difference by throwing everything in a true bypass strip so your guitar's signal has a very short cable length to travel through. if thats still to long, you might want to place a line booster before/after the true bypass strip.
high quality cables dont help poor buffered bypasses sound better. neither true bypass pedals really. just the signal going from one pedal to the next due to the lower capacitance, you'll hear more difference by throwing everything in a true bypass strip so your guitar's signal has a very short cable length to travel through. if thats still to long, you might want to place a line booster before/after the true bypass strip.
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