goal or no goal, germany totally outclassed england.. germany is a world class team while england played like a S-league team. the gulf in quality is gigantic. even if that was counted as a goal, it doesn't help because germany still whacked 4 goals past england. with the exception of frank lampard who made some some very good long shots, the rest of the england team looked like a bunch of clueless schoolboys playing a leisurely sunday football game. germany on the other hand had very good movement, passing and teamwork, they knew what they were doing. and you have to wonder why Calamity James played in goal for england.. he didn't earn that nickname for nothing.. in short, england sucks and i'm sick of their excuses and whining..