hifi_killer
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ermm since we're on this topic, whats a talk box?
Stomp box types (the diff kind of effects)
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cherubrock
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hifi_killer said:
The talk box is actually a cool feature popularized by pete frampton/richie sambora. It somehow channels the guitar's sound into a rubber tubing which is usually strapped onto a mic-stand with a standard mic.
So what you do is play your guitar (usually with distortion), and put the end of the tube into your mouth. The sound goes into the cavity of your mouth and out into the mic.
You can literally say a word with it, without using your voice, but with the guitar sound.
Listen to livin' on a prayer, its my life and aerosmith's sweet emotion and you will distinctively know the talkbox sound.
metalella_eh
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i have a question on EQ pedal. it's similar like the amp, but the amp only have 5 knobs (as for mine) - gain, middle, bass, treble and master volume. but why the EQ pedal got so much? and what are the functions of all of it?
another thing, anyone have ibanez weeping demon? review please? thanks a million
another thing, anyone have ibanez weeping demon? review please? thanks a million
Phil
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metalella_eh said:
metalella_eh,
The one you mentioned, that's a basic three band EQ; bass, mid and treble.
Then there's the more complex one, so to speak. It comes with shit like low/high bass, low/high mid and low/high treble. And then there are also those with numbers, like 30khz etc. That's even more options and more knobs.
An EQ pedal comes in 2 flavours, graphic or parametric.
Graphic EQs are like the Boss GE7 or Danelectro Fish & Chips. Several sliders controlling a set frequency. So when you up a 800hz freq, thats all thats moving, the rest of the frequencies do not move.
A parametric eq is like Yamaha's Nathan East Bass EQ or the EQ on Tech21's TRI AC unit. These units have less knobs/sliders/controls because the controls they have (whethers its knobs or what) control the EQ in the form of a curve. Visualise it. Your treble, mids and bass, on a straight line... when you up the mids, the line starts to curve upwards. So a range of frequencies is effected instead of just 1 per slider as per the graphic eqs.
Amps usually have parametric EQs but some cheaper amps have graphic eqs.
Graphic EQs are like the Boss GE7 or Danelectro Fish & Chips. Several sliders controlling a set frequency. So when you up a 800hz freq, thats all thats moving, the rest of the frequencies do not move.
A parametric eq is like Yamaha's Nathan East Bass EQ or the EQ on Tech21's TRI AC unit. These units have less knobs/sliders/controls because the controls they have (whethers its knobs or what) control the EQ in the form of a curve. Visualise it. Your treble, mids and bass, on a straight line... when you up the mids, the line starts to curve upwards. So a range of frequencies is effected instead of just 1 per slider as per the graphic eqs.
Amps usually have parametric EQs but some cheaper amps have graphic eqs.
metalella_eh
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hmm... that's kind of complicating. *laughs. will try to understand.
shredcow, danelectro fish and chip, boss EQ and behringer EQ, which one would you recommend.
shredcow, danelectro fish and chip, boss EQ and behringer EQ, which one would you recommend.
metalella_eh said:
Try to understand man.
Helps a lot in choosing stuff... do note some parametric eqs are bad or not effective in how they shape the eq curve.I have tried the Danelectro and Boss. So i'll just comment on the 2.
the fish & chips is cheaper @ $80 brand new and its quieter when boosting.
the GE7 is sturdier (which if you are a home user, this doesn't count much) but expensive (>$120) and noisy when boosting.
The GE7 can be modded to be quieter.
Both EQs have the same functions.
theblueark
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popeye said:
A talkbox is actually an amplifier. But instead of the sound going into speakers, it goes into a tube, which goes into your mouth.
A vocoder contains bandpass filters and envelop followers. What it does is it takes two signals and alters one of them based on the other. You actually superimpose a replica of the voice's energy patterns on to the sound of the instrument.
They sound very different in practice, but because both are based off human speach, they also share similarities.
The confusion arises because Digitech released a pedal they called the Talker, which was actually a mini version of a vocoder. Before then, vocoders usually came in rackmount or bigger enclosures.
These are clips of a proper studio vocoder:
http://www.paia.com/vocopaia.wav
http://www.paia.com/vocosing.wav
I couldn't find samples of a proper talk box. Go listen to the songs suggested as above. To truely appreciate a vocoder, listen to Neil Young's Trans album.
foxblinkhope
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wow this is such and old thread, aniway, ok lets say u using a lespaul right, then it has the more 'darker'sound , is there anyway by means of pedal to get that strat sound?
Strat sound on a LP? Hmm, try lowering your volume, swtich to neck pickup. Tone set at full.
Almost there, but not quite.
Listen to U2's Sunday Bloody Sunday (live version with just THE EDGE singing, they did it on their POPmart tour 1997 - not sure whether any on YouTube but if you have the video, check it out, that's as close as a LP ever got to a strat I reckon).
Almost there, but not quite.
Listen to U2's Sunday Bloody Sunday (live version with just THE EDGE singing, they did it on their POPmart tour 1997 - not sure whether any on YouTube but if you have the video, check it out, that's as close as a LP ever got to a strat I reckon).
niteblade
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Boost - overdrive - Distortion - Fuzz
By Anders Bergdahl UGG
When shaping youre tone you will sooner or later want to add some type of pedal to boost leads or add a sound to you're amp. When soma companies market their pedals the sometimes label them quite unlogical. The classification we use will cover most traditional pedals and especially the boutique pedals we hear so much about. Since these are quite expensive stuff we want to help you find the pedals the best suit you're current need so we will try to describe 4 main categories and what you should expect from pedals within these categories. We will also mention some pedals within each category, this will not nessecerely mean that these pedals are the best, but they are pedals that are held in high regard and that we have some experience of.
We hope this will help clearify some of the confusion regarding what a overdrive or boost pedal should do. I have heard people say that the Klon Centaur is a bad overdrive or that Baby Blue Overdrive is not transparent. Comments like this often arise when someone is buying a overdrive when they really should look at a boost pedal or are buying a boost and are disappointed because it doesn't give them the amount or type of distortion they wanted. This might help you when you read reviews, for example on Harmony Central, where sometimes people gives a boost pedal a very bad review since they wanted an overdrive or distortion box. Or they might criticize a overdrive/distortion because it is not as transparent as a boost is.
Boost pedals
Boosts are intended to amplify the signal and typically don't and any distortion in them selves. Some boosts are combined with a overdrive circuit, for example Klon Centaur, but to be regarded as boosts the need to be able to add distortion free amplification. When looking for boost pedals you quite often want it to be transparent, that means that the pedal should amplify the signal without changing it harmonically. Some boost do change the signal and are intended to, for example you have treble boosts and fat boosts the should be transparent as well but not completely, a treble boost is made the boost the treble frequencies and a fat boost should emphasize the mids, but you should still here the character of you're amp and guitar So what should a Clean boost do, a clean boost is like a small pre-amp that should amplify your'e signal so that the amp receives a hotter louder signal. A clean boost could be used to boost leads, raising the volume when needed. Most tube amps that are run so that the produce some amount of distortion delivers more distortion when you use the clean boost but it is important to understand that the pedal itself does not produce the distortion, it's a result of giving the amp a higher in signal which will further the overdrive. Used with some very touch responsive amps, like a Komet, a boost might not raise volume much at all instead the amp will distort more. So basically when used with a super clean amp a clean boost will give a volume boost with a distorted amp it might give a volume boost and a increase of the distortion.
Treble boost are made to amplify the high-mid and high frequencies there are two main uses one is to make a neck pickup (well mostly neck) sing in a amp guitar combination where it sounds a bit dull, för example adding a BJF Little red Treble between a 52 reissue tele and a Toneking Comet made a rather dull sounding neck PU sound fine. It this context the treble boost works a bit like a Bright switch would do on a amp. The other common use is to add treble boost to a distorted sound and it sound a bit like having a Wah in a fixed position. Clapton used a treble boost on the Beano Bluesbrakers album. An other well known guitarist that sometimes uses treble boost with distorted guitar is Brian May.
Overdrive
The typical overdrive adds its own distortion to the signal but is made do blend with the nature of the amp. It will make your clean amp an edga and make sing a little more but if yu want distortion the best result is almost always with a tube amp that is driven to the edge of distortion, an overdrive will overdrive it further. Examples of overdrives are, TS-808, TS-9 (the classic tube screamers), Baby Blue overdrive, Austone millennium; Voodoo Labs -Sparkle Drive, Crowther Hot Cake, Landgraff Dynamic Overdrive Etc. Most overdrives do compress the signal a bit and most have their own sound, it means that it will mot sound exactly like you're amp, the most transparent OD in the world probably is the Klon Centaur, but this also means that you have to like the sound of you're amps natural overdrive if you want anther sound you should choose another OD than the Klon. For example, I didn't like the overdrive sound from a Fender Prosonic so I used Baby Blue Overdrive in the clean channel to give me a more satisfying overdrive sound. Overdrives should always be able to produce a semi clean sound. Most people also agree on that a good overdrive should react like a tube amp on you're picking technique and the setting on you're guitar. Sometimes you want an overdrive to alter the sound, for example make a Fender sound a bit like a Marshall, but quite often a overdrive should be rather transparent.
Distortion
Distortion will typically have a sound of their own sound and generate the distortion you need even with a clean amp but even here best result is with an overdriven or almost overdriven tube amp. Distortion pedals have a much more radical effect on the signal than overdrives and you quite often want a dist pedal to alter the sound. There are several distortion pedals on the market, some examples are: BJF Dyna Red, Fulltone distortion Pro and Landgraff Mo D.
Fuzz
The next step is Fuzz but even Fuzzes generally needs some amp or another distortion to sound good. Some Fuzzes retain a lot of the original signal while some makes all guitars sound the same. So when it comes to Fuzzes it's sometimes desired that all pickup settings sounds almost the same. There are pedals labeled Fuzz that could be seen as distortion pedals or even overdrives and visa versa. The subject of fuzzes is quite big one thing that is typical for fuzzes is that the sound comes from transistors generating the distortion most of overdrives and distortion use chips to create distortion.
Conclusion
So the lesson to be learned is that you need a good tube amp that's able to produce some distortion or breakup in sound without being to loud. If you like the sound of you're amp but want more "power" add some type of boost. If you only have a small amount of distortion from you're amp or don't like the Gain channel on you're channel switching amp and want another flavor of distortion sound use an overdrive. If an overdrive does not give you all gain you need you should look for a distortion box and for those most extreme sound you will need a fuzz. You should be aware that many pedals are mainly one thing but has some capabilities to work in another context. Klon Centaur is a excellent boost that crossover into overdrive, My hope is that this will help you to have the right expectations when testing different pedals.
i was pretty confused for a long while about overdrives,distortions,fuzz and boosters till i read this
By Anders Bergdahl UGG
When shaping youre tone you will sooner or later want to add some type of pedal to boost leads or add a sound to you're amp. When soma companies market their pedals the sometimes label them quite unlogical. The classification we use will cover most traditional pedals and especially the boutique pedals we hear so much about. Since these are quite expensive stuff we want to help you find the pedals the best suit you're current need so we will try to describe 4 main categories and what you should expect from pedals within these categories. We will also mention some pedals within each category, this will not nessecerely mean that these pedals are the best, but they are pedals that are held in high regard and that we have some experience of.
We hope this will help clearify some of the confusion regarding what a overdrive or boost pedal should do. I have heard people say that the Klon Centaur is a bad overdrive or that Baby Blue Overdrive is not transparent. Comments like this often arise when someone is buying a overdrive when they really should look at a boost pedal or are buying a boost and are disappointed because it doesn't give them the amount or type of distortion they wanted. This might help you when you read reviews, for example on Harmony Central, where sometimes people gives a boost pedal a very bad review since they wanted an overdrive or distortion box. Or they might criticize a overdrive/distortion because it is not as transparent as a boost is.
Boost pedals
Boosts are intended to amplify the signal and typically don't and any distortion in them selves. Some boosts are combined with a overdrive circuit, for example Klon Centaur, but to be regarded as boosts the need to be able to add distortion free amplification. When looking for boost pedals you quite often want it to be transparent, that means that the pedal should amplify the signal without changing it harmonically. Some boost do change the signal and are intended to, for example you have treble boosts and fat boosts the should be transparent as well but not completely, a treble boost is made the boost the treble frequencies and a fat boost should emphasize the mids, but you should still here the character of you're amp and guitar So what should a Clean boost do, a clean boost is like a small pre-amp that should amplify your'e signal so that the amp receives a hotter louder signal. A clean boost could be used to boost leads, raising the volume when needed. Most tube amps that are run so that the produce some amount of distortion delivers more distortion when you use the clean boost but it is important to understand that the pedal itself does not produce the distortion, it's a result of giving the amp a higher in signal which will further the overdrive. Used with some very touch responsive amps, like a Komet, a boost might not raise volume much at all instead the amp will distort more. So basically when used with a super clean amp a clean boost will give a volume boost with a distorted amp it might give a volume boost and a increase of the distortion.
Treble boost are made to amplify the high-mid and high frequencies there are two main uses one is to make a neck pickup (well mostly neck) sing in a amp guitar combination where it sounds a bit dull, för example adding a BJF Little red Treble between a 52 reissue tele and a Toneking Comet made a rather dull sounding neck PU sound fine. It this context the treble boost works a bit like a Bright switch would do on a amp. The other common use is to add treble boost to a distorted sound and it sound a bit like having a Wah in a fixed position. Clapton used a treble boost on the Beano Bluesbrakers album. An other well known guitarist that sometimes uses treble boost with distorted guitar is Brian May.
Overdrive
The typical overdrive adds its own distortion to the signal but is made do blend with the nature of the amp. It will make your clean amp an edga and make sing a little more but if yu want distortion the best result is almost always with a tube amp that is driven to the edge of distortion, an overdrive will overdrive it further. Examples of overdrives are, TS-808, TS-9 (the classic tube screamers), Baby Blue overdrive, Austone millennium; Voodoo Labs -Sparkle Drive, Crowther Hot Cake, Landgraff Dynamic Overdrive Etc. Most overdrives do compress the signal a bit and most have their own sound, it means that it will mot sound exactly like you're amp, the most transparent OD in the world probably is the Klon Centaur, but this also means that you have to like the sound of you're amps natural overdrive if you want anther sound you should choose another OD than the Klon. For example, I didn't like the overdrive sound from a Fender Prosonic so I used Baby Blue Overdrive in the clean channel to give me a more satisfying overdrive sound. Overdrives should always be able to produce a semi clean sound. Most people also agree on that a good overdrive should react like a tube amp on you're picking technique and the setting on you're guitar. Sometimes you want an overdrive to alter the sound, for example make a Fender sound a bit like a Marshall, but quite often a overdrive should be rather transparent.
Distortion
Distortion will typically have a sound of their own sound and generate the distortion you need even with a clean amp but even here best result is with an overdriven or almost overdriven tube amp. Distortion pedals have a much more radical effect on the signal than overdrives and you quite often want a dist pedal to alter the sound. There are several distortion pedals on the market, some examples are: BJF Dyna Red, Fulltone distortion Pro and Landgraff Mo D.
Fuzz
The next step is Fuzz but even Fuzzes generally needs some amp or another distortion to sound good. Some Fuzzes retain a lot of the original signal while some makes all guitars sound the same. So when it comes to Fuzzes it's sometimes desired that all pickup settings sounds almost the same. There are pedals labeled Fuzz that could be seen as distortion pedals or even overdrives and visa versa. The subject of fuzzes is quite big one thing that is typical for fuzzes is that the sound comes from transistors generating the distortion most of overdrives and distortion use chips to create distortion.
Conclusion
So the lesson to be learned is that you need a good tube amp that's able to produce some distortion or breakup in sound without being to loud. If you like the sound of you're amp but want more "power" add some type of boost. If you only have a small amount of distortion from you're amp or don't like the Gain channel on you're channel switching amp and want another flavor of distortion sound use an overdrive. If an overdrive does not give you all gain you need you should look for a distortion box and for those most extreme sound you will need a fuzz. You should be aware that many pedals are mainly one thing but has some capabilities to work in another context. Klon Centaur is a excellent boost that crossover into overdrive, My hope is that this will help you to have the right expectations when testing different pedals.
i was pretty confused for a long while about overdrives,distortions,fuzz and boosters till i read this