STILL NOT HEAVY ENOUGH!

[ShredCow]

Hey viruz,
I think you should check this pup thing out thoroughly before you comment like that.

You try it. Screw your pups down low like Nitrovo did. Then see what happens to the sound/tone. You totally lose chunk and bass.

Thats why I told nitrovo to raise the pups.

Oh and yeah, since the guitar is the root of your tone, what better way to ensure chug than the make sure that the root tone has good bass?

IMHO, you don't need an eq pedal to chug.

 

[Viruz]

WRONG :smt040














well maybe half......















Yr pups theory has little effect......













x2n/emg werks best for me.EQ is an important element in musician tone..
And yes U get more better bottom end, that wall of a sound of heart thumping tone than yr pups theory thingy.IMHOOOOO.















Do u think Petrucci can get chugga tone with just a pup thing xperiment????

 

[jony]

I dont see where this is going..

If its anybody listen to shredcow..

 

[ShredCow]

Yr pups theory has little effect......

x2n/emg werks best for me.EQ is an important element in musician tone..
And yes U get more better bottom end, that wall of a sound of heart thumping tone than yr pups theory thingy.IMHOOOOO.

Do u think Petrucci can get chugga tone with just a pup thing xperiment????

Please try lowering your pups all the way down and listen to the bass AND power/output you lose. You obviously didn't do it.

Of course if you use an X2N or EMG, you can lower the things down way low and still get ridiculous power. But its less power.

EQ is important. Yes. Thats why all amps have EQ. Which is usually sufficient.

Yes I think Petrucci can get a chugga tone with a "pup thing xperiment". However, he happens to have loads of gain from his mesa boogies. It doesn't matter what pup height he has, the huge amount of will still give chug. Its just that JP's ears will prob detect and detest the weaker sound of low pups.

Lets just wait till the thread starter comes back alright? I don't wish for him to spend money on an EQ pedal (even though it costs only 70 bucks) when he can solve the issue with the gear he has.

 

[strats]

wow all those space between sentences.. you're more irritating here than you are on metaltronic..

and you should really try raising those pups.. did that to my neck pup, sounds better and louder

 

[Viruz]

A bro,not to offend u,i think we both r in the different league.im in La LIga u in EPL.I play all tube amps, u play with stompboxes.I have 3 guitars,u have 10 guitars.Somethin like tat......
abt the JP thing.Basically its amp/efx thing and EQ that creates most of the Chugga.

Do remember higher pup ht sometime will make yer tone mushy and undefine.I do have high pup ht, but i rewired mine with 18V for that...

 

[redjackal]

i've used that guitar before. No problem in getting chug just that the tone wont be as good as your EMG.

what pedals are you using?
increase your gain more?
does ur current amp has a gain control?

 

[ShredCow]

A bro,not to offend u,i think we both r in the different league.im in La LIga u in EPL.I play all tube amps, u play with stompboxes.I have 3 guitars,u have 10 guitars.Somethin like tat......
abt the JP thing.Basically its amp/efx thing and EQ that creates most of the Chugga.

Do remember higher pup ht sometime will make yer tone mushy and undefine.I do have high pup ht, but i rewired mine with 18V for that...

I have no idea what is La LIga. I only have 1 guitar.

I understand where you are coming from and what you say does make sense to a certain degree.

But lets just work with what Nitrovo has for now aye? Thing are not as simple as getting an eq pedal.

I plan to work with Nitrovo from the guitar then go on down the line. It does not make sense to tell anyone to go on with a poorly/wrongly set up guitar and offer him a wonder pedal, when its his guitar in the first place that has to be tweaked, then the amp (which includes eq), then stompboxes.

 

[redjackal]

i think an EQ in his case wont solve his problem
what he wants is the chug. I suppose he is not into his "tone" yet.

he can make his tone sound bloomy or trebly but he cant achieve his chugging yet.

so my advise is the gain.
check on your gain. Not too much and not too less, you will have to explore the sounds. Afterwhich, check on your tone, see if you like how it sounds.

 

[seekz]

I'll stick with Shredcow... cos nitro did say he got his pups screwed down low...

But i still believe that you can't get a good chug with a small amp.
you probably can at a low volume, but you can't really feel it... you can just hear it.

it you turn up the volume the lower freqs will just go crazy.

but if an EQ pedal does works wonders when you do some mid scoops.
So its very hard to pin point on one thing.

Hey Nitro you have to give some feedback if not very hard lah...

 

[nitrovo]

O.K raised them and it does sound better, but i think i hear the strings thumping the pup's. is this meant to happen? maybe my amp isnt turned up enough to cover the sound.

Maybe they're too high?

 

[ShredCow]

Hey man, you got my number. Gimme a ring or msg on msn.

 

[MichaelAngelo]

i recorded with my laptop mic...not very good quality, n of course not very accurate, but u can still hear the diff between using 1 amp n 2 amps...although u cant fully emulate the live metallica sound, this definitely gives your practice jams at home more kick. I recorded both samples at the same volume for a fair comparison. And since u like metallica, i attempted to play some thrashy sounding riff to give u a more relevant idea of wat it'd sound like.

http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0X0T7KTE6CXJ733TO5FAQP23YW
Thats with 1 amp.

http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1E1W5GMVNNL6Z23GB56SKLCM9X
This is with 2 amps.

 

[detroit_red]

You know Nitrovo ... I didn't read this whole thread, but i think the number 1 problem is pickups. I remember using cheap single coils and no matter how much metal i tried to make my sound with pedals and putting high gain and all that stuff, i still realised that it was the pickups that were integral in the sound. Even if you're using a humbucker loaded guitar, i think that the pickups could probably be improved.

 

[nitrovo]

Thanks MichaelAngelo!

And a huge thanks to shredcow for guiding me over the phone and having the patience hehe

i'm kickin arse now!

 

[trianglebiscuit]

dont raise them too high! too high = crappy tone and lesser sustain due to greater string pull

 

[RentaBass]

dont raise them too high! too high = crappy tone and lesser sustain due to greater string pull

Agree with mattleesc. Raise your pickups a tad too high, and not only to you face bad tone, because the polepieces will interfere with your string vibration, the hotter signal may cause your tone to go all wooly.

Experiment a little with your pickup heights, and make sure the volumes of both are balanced after that.

It's cool to toy around with your pickups heights, since they're reversible, and don't cost anything. If you're not sure, always ask somebody more experienced for help. Oh yes, don't forget to use the proper sized screwdriver, cos you don't want to strip out the treads on the top of the screw.

 

[throwduncan]

if you cant raise them too high then what must you go for??

 

[trianglebiscuit]

i think the standard height is supposed to be like 1/8" from the strings for the neck pup. bridge its 1/16" for the high e and 3/32" for the low.

then tweak from there. generally higher output pickups with those big assed ceramics need to be pull back abit more to compesate for string pull, i think heh

 

[throwduncan]

im confused now.