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haha, electric fan solo, that can be done, but there wont be geetar involved. Just the sound of fan spinning/rotating and enviroment sound in which the fan is in
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anyway, back to the thing. I have a question, from the clip. Does it make anyone wonder, how difficult can it be, to do something like that? If its not difficult, anyone shud be able to do that as well(even if not knowing how to play the geetar). So what would be the thing that define whether is it random act of indulgence(without much thought/depth) or something that can be "vaguely artsy"?
 
I don't think its an easy thing to do. I certainly don't think "anyone" can just do it like that.

Like, I read Danelectrico saying he is the more "traditionalist" sort - he has a preference for a certain way of playing this kind of music. I like to create music in a certain manner also. And there will be many others who can't play punk rock the way it should be played even though its just 3 chords. Imparting a vibe/emotion is tougher than technical prowess... and the flip side is truth also lah.



As for the 2nd half of your question, everyone has a world view, a standard to live by - and that applies to music too. So... to answer that...

Wanna be my frend? We can talk talk long long over kopi to discover the intimates of each other's world view.
 
world's view? Nah, iam too shallow to talk about that. I leave it to the rest. To discover intimates of each other details, i cant commit to that. I believe what those chinese tv serial believe in, "distance is a beauty when looking at things from afar"
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thats some good points you mentioned!
 
World's view? No lah... World view!

Like if I believe that music impact me and makes me cry - okay liao, it rocketh - then almost anything that moves me will rock and be good. So if your piece touch me then I think its artsy and good.
But if i think music must have shred & chugga & be TRUE, or maybe must have verse/chorus/verse/chorus, or maybe can only use bamboo fan... then since your piece no such thing - then i don't like it, i think tis a random act of noise.
 
mwahahahahaha...pardon...

theres a saying which i learnt from watching those chinese kungfu serial when i was young boy.

direct translation would be

"lust should it be empty, empty it will be lust"

somehow, it was the immediate though as i read this

Like if I believe that music impact me and makes me cry - okay liao, it rocketh - then almost anything that moves me will rock and be good. So if your piece touch me then I think its artsy and good.
But if i think music must have shred & chugga & be TRUE, or maybe must have verse/chorus/verse/chorus, or maybe can only use bamboo fan... then since your piece no such thing - then i don't like it, i think tis a random act of noise.
 
get a room ..both of you !!??

and there will be many others who can't play punk rock the way it should be played even though its just 3 chords.

Ahem ..cough ..choke ... twitch...flip ...dead_____________________________
 
sounds like MONO(its a band),
well its kinda melodic at parts imo, but then again. some were kinda dull. ><
not saying i can do any better, just honest opinions.
 
haha some seriously nice sonic experimentation there.......gave me hell lotta chills.

Pathein i would call you the Picasso of guitar! :D
 
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pathein i absolutely love it...
even on my noob board once in a while i personally love making these weird stuffs with my modulated chorus, a chorus, a wah and the legendary volume knob. recently tried into stereo as well... the trance like feeling is really nice. i think if it gives you the highs while playing ur music such as a super shredder does, its great stuff.

i always thought guitarist either use more talent (in fingers) or brains (in gear tweakage). and it takes tons of brains to set up ur gear for such a sound. hmm still needa add many loops via a looper, maybe ocillating fuzz and a filter... and a flanger.. all stereo into 2 amps and delayed..... maybe a fan ..... .....

bro, tell me when you play live? really would like to hear ur stuffs. shit im a pathein fan from today onwards.
 
Pathein, I like your kinda stuff.. would like to hear such stuff with a band too.. think that the added texture from drums and a bass guitar would add so much more to it. I remember another clip of yours that you posted before on soft that I really enjoyed and was so jealous of...

Also, your talk of drone has gotten me very excited. I've nvr hooked up more than 1 delay in my chain before... All I've got is a boring simple Ibanez DE7..could you pls kindly post up sounds of the drones you've created from your magicstomp + also the 2delay2reverb chain? That would make my day and help me get the sounds I've been craving for but dunno how to start.

cheers,
 
haha, you guys are too kind.

Seriously, it doesnt need any talent to do those thingy. Anyone can do it, as long as you allow yourself to indulge in it and feeling something outta those

one notes or many notes, the difference prolly just whatever big idea/words we can put behind it. Without the concept, many things prolly just bullshit..

heh, i is bedroom tweaker only, cant play live for nuts. And even if theres any live shows. trust me, its boring as hell
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Also, your talk of drone has gotten me very excited. I've nvr hooked up more than 1 delay in my chain before... All I've got is a boring simple Ibanez DE7..could you pls kindly post up sounds of the drones you've created from your magicstomp + also the 2delay2reverb chain? That would make my day and help me get the sounds I've been craving for but dunno how to start.

cheers,

heh, i have been avoiding drum or bass for most of the stuff which i was doing. Mainly because i didnt want to have any thing within those sound that dictate a certain direction or start point/end point kinda thingy. Sorta wanted something which unfold itself in all direction then to have any rhythm that suggest a journey(like a song with intro, verse, chorus, outro etc)

for the actual setting of the pedals, i have forgotten most of it. But i can tell you the concept for those.

For the most basic setup to get a drone going on, you will need to totally kill off the attack of the guitar, prolong the sustain and lengthen the decay of any string being played

With the 4 pedals setup, i had a digitech digiverb first in the chain set to reverse reverb, 100% wet and round 75% to 90% reverb depth. With the reverse reverb, theres a trailing effect with almost bell ringing chime when ever any string is being played on the guitar. This will be the first thing to get a pseudo prolonged sustain/decay going on. And with 100% full reverb setting, whatever string is being striked, you wont hear that pick attack, instead the reverse reverb effect will sound out after couple of milisecond. The delay between the struck notes and the sounding of notes thru the amp is normal(similar to setting a delay to 100% wet)

With the above, the attack is being killed off and the dl4 will come after it(with swell delay setting). The swell delay setting is also similar to the reverse reverb where the mix(between delay and original effect signal) is set to 100%, delay time maybe around 450ms to 50oplus millisecond and repeat at 60%.

the key point for the reverse reverb and dl4(swell delay) is to have the mix at 100% to kill off the string attack. Once done, everytime when a note is stuck on the geetar, you wont hear the sound coming from the amp immediately. It will swell out slowly, according to picking dynamics. And by varying the picking, you can do a pseudo drone on top of drone thingy going on.

The above 2 are the basic one to get the drone thing going on. With the next pedal in line, i had another reverb(used to be the holiest grail, but chanegd to line 6 verbzilla) just to prolong the drone sound from the digiverb and dl4 combined. For this reverb, the main thing will be setting the mix to around 60%-75% or less. The aim just to have a mix between the unprocessed revese reverb+dl4 sound and the process reverse reverb+dl4(thru the verbzilla).

the last pedal, is another delay with the mix set round 60&-75% as well. delay time around 400plus ms and repeat to taste(usually i set it to at least 5 or more repeats). This delay is optional though, coz the role is just to length the sound gotten from the previous 3 pedals. The only reason why i include this mainly because when playing muted notes and striking the string hard, there will be repetitive choppy sound that swell out from the background, which can be used as "colouring/flavour" etc.

Heh, so there you go, the above is for the 4 pedal set up. Heres a clip done with the above set up. The "1" in the title refer to lil big muff which was added in, first in the chain, before the rest, to get a slightly more gritty/dirty drone towards the end..
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=4076034&q=hi

for the magicstomp one, heres the clip. Its mainly in the background, the airy sound going on. http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=5187505&q=hi
 
thks so much for the very useful & detailed explanation! i had so much fun discovering all this stuff using Guitar Rig 3 the software because there's no way i can afford 3 more delay pedals for tweaking..

I am still digessing the info u gave and will be back with more queries & feedback for sure!

just a quick one though... ever thought of scoring for film if the right one comes along?
 
no worries, as long as theres fun gotten out of the word, its all good
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for film, not really. I prefer the sound i do as an empty piece, if able to fit in who ever is listening, for them to put their own thoughts and past happenings along, its enough.

formless and directionless i would prefer it, without any fixed scene nor thought in mind
 
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