Soft forums is getting quiet...

well this is going to be one of my last posts in a while as I'll be busy with some projects + other trade (non-audio) projects and a nice cruise in a hot tub in the middle of the ocean for a week at month end.

since this is in the Kopitiam section - Hi , i'm this guy who you see all over the Sound/Computer section helping people with pc/audio recording issues since approximately 2007. though I joined soft in '04 and was partipating general threads + audioload / reload / IRC back then.

I actually do get calculative on the time I spend on soft to help people and I do try to half-assed type out answers at my usual 88 - 108wpm speed so it doesn't interfere with my daily life. "What's in it for me" is just a practice to keep myself updated on what's the most common errors people face when setting up studios as I'm engaged consultant to a few individuals who are running their own home production. The rest of it who don't want to be more financially cost effective I recommend them to post their problem in SOFT (win win situation as there's more activity and more people can help and it's free.)

#1 "What's In It For Me?" : to factor the demand of people nowadays like what logicdroid has said , ask a question in a manner whereby it almost calls for "hey I haven't bought anything, I'm still procrastinating, what problems would I possibly face if I were to get my hands dirty, and I want answers conveniently laid out on standby , spoonfed to my situation so I don't have to go through periods of frustration and immediately get things done. without me having to pay for any consultant services. and yes once I get what I want, i'm out of soft. yes blueprint I know you've said many times, share with soft on what I've achieved. but bollocks to you I got better things to do."

#2 "Everyone has their own plans" : Suddenly people (this does not point any finger at anyone particularly, so if you take offence your problem , if you must know it's the douchebags who msg me on my phone personally to ask for answers and not have me engaged for my consultant service.) come crawling back and realised what's mainly covered on SOFT's audio section by myself is only Recording. They start asking mixing questions which I've said many times I don't entertain details of mixing as it's too subjective, generally if it sounds right, it is right. Just work on your hearing judgement signal chain that's all.
Because ugly truth is, you claim you want to learn mixing so you can sound better (yeah yeah that's what every kid says). but it just translates to me as "bullsh!t, you just want to stand a chance try to be better than the person you're learning from. you just want to learn so you don't have to pay a single cent or even start offering recording/mixing/mastering services and try earn a little pocket money" and yes you don't have to defend yourself, c'mon I've walked that same road you came from. I tried asking a few friendly questions in the past when bedroom recording was ridiculed but I'm glad the questions were either left unanswered or hmm what was that line in 2003? "Trade secret :)", and I turned out to be much a bigger better person getting my hands dirty and learning DIY and answering the questions myself through effort. So newbies - If you just ask spoonfeeding answers, you will always stand small in the shadow of the person who answered. Guides/Tutorials/generic answers only serve as a quick exit to the expressway from small roads. But there will always be that peak hour traffic jam and ERP in the industry.

This chapter also covers on people who I've seen over the last 5+ years who've tried starting their own forums. their own gigvideos youtube. their own "hype".their own purpose websites to link out of SOFT. People like us (me and the other helpful people) will share our 2 cents. but we're not going to shoot ourselves in the foot.

#3 : "Facebook" : the ratrace to gather the most likes.the most plays. wall tag spamming. There's a high chance I'd click on a google ad than one of those. You have 1000 likes, but only 10 same familiar face you see at your shows. Again, the local scene is growing, but spreading out sidewards, than a tower stacking up to create a "landmark". Every man for himself, every band for themselves. To get something happening going on, it takes a "champion" to start the ball rolling. Then suddenly monkey see monkey do (singaporean mentality), people will join in if it plays a part for #1, #2. Depending on what ball is rolling, you may find yourself alone because everyone says "yeh I suppot u. but do wat u r doin ? no thx. too hard. waste time. u do can alreadi , i suppot."

#4 : "Buy And Sell" : The voice of luther himself always rings in my head from my old nokia phone, "you know luthermusic classifieds is the #1 on google singapore, why are you selling so many items and interfering my business!" > "I do recording, I have mics,audio gear, guitar bass amps drumset back then. It's normal. nevermind I take down whatever I'm selling and I'll do it on SOFT. carry on with your tone and good luck with your classifieds." So what happened now? Heh.
Just like the highlight of the major conflict SOFT had when James was trying to find out a win-win answer to everyone and make this a happy place. now that it's "open-free-for-all" again like it used to, we're back to square one on the same problem of "price police". Not everyone will be happy.

#5 : "Keyboard Warriors" : ok la, we all start young somewhere. Puberty rhymes with Stupidity. Keep an open mind and know that we no longer have that one super long pubic hair out of the fur patch longer than the penis like these boys.Heh.
There was that guy, Levan, the nonstop "Post Edited" keyboard warrior. Whether SOFT relies on "any (good/bad) publicity is good" . will be covered in #6.

#6 : "What's In , What's On and What's next?" : There were a few debates on what's next for SOFT. We lack of activities yes, but when gatherings were held , the attendance kept dropping. SBCS was an attempt but once the bands outgrew SOFT they suka suka go MIA etc. And like what was mentioned, everyone has their own plans and a Saturday in a month can be precious time.
from what I observed, james try to maintain this forum as a clean, healthy, positive, sunshine and rainbow place where kids , teenagers , adults , family people can hang out and learn from. Even I can't control my crude language / sarcasm at times especially when another's stupidity calls for it. What sells today : stuff that's flashy or fleshy. So this is a Music Forum, there's no business in involving sexual stuff unless you're talking about a nude hot chick covered by a guitar or a female drummer in a bikini playing metal core double kick pedal core in high feels. Otherwise , In general I feel as long as we don't talk about the 3 topics, Race/Religion/Government , everyone is safe. and of course nothing pornographic.

Brandon's recordingreview is indeed interesting, a roundup of all the studio engineers globally , but that said, there's also gearslutz , other global recording forums. I guess what makes SOFT interesting is just "Singaporean" more home based.

I think before facebook, the hype was to post anything that's of "Current Events" / tabloid trash on Music Kopitiam. nowadays people just do it on their walls. But even for that was kinda unproductive in my opinion.. so which one is bad? "Waste time!LOCK / DELETE THREAD!" or "Quiet forum..."

What's next? Now my questions are, is anyone going to stop whining bout the good ol days and come up with a revolutionary idea that isn't limited by #1 and #2? and who wants to start the ball rolling? Heh.Cos personally I thought of doing tutorials/guides etc. but after considering #1 and #2 and I feel I've done enough, and there's no new young punk doing what I did when I was their age.

F|_|cking Busy and vice versa.
 
Wow I have been coming in occasionally for the buy/sell thread and so I don't go into other threads but I can see you have done a hell lot for the Soft community.. It also seems like you had to let out all your pent-up frustrations which I understand all of them. Unfortunately many people have gone to facebook which is very convenient and Soft is left deserted.

But I think the problem is the lack of people posting questions on soft itself. I rarely see anyone posting at all..
Im a bassist and the bass thread is so so so so dead which is why I frequent Talkbass all the time.
I think that Singaporeans have too much on their minds than music, things like trying to survive and make money. In my case its studies, but I do make time for music as its my passion.

Also, bands cannot survive in Singapore. Or at least thats the vibe im getting. Singapore has not done much for the music industry and I have seen many talented bands in jamming studios or at the outdoor theatre who are qualified enough to my ears to perform in more glamourous events and record albums. Perhaps theres lack of opportunities, I wont know since im still a student and not anywhere near the music industry. I know of a friend's cousin who can play at least 5 instruments and I heard him play at his house. It was very beautiful, it was his original composition and yet nobody knows his name at all..

If bands get recognized in Singapore, it might give local music a kickstart and inspire many people to take up instruments.
I have yet to gig but I really want to, as I want to share my music with people.
I often hear parents(40-70) say to their children that music is not a career and should not be taken seriously.
We have to change this mindset and as Singapore is a DC that focuses on tertiary industries like entertainment I believe music can be of a great asset to the country. The government just has to promote music and local bands.

This is my opinion and yours may differ but please do not flame me. This is what I think and as I am at a young age of 15 I have not experienced much so I am not qualified to give much of a comment.
 
thanks for the compliments though I'm more trying to show the fact that people who contribute are your average singaporeans than to try claim recognition for what I've done. one important factor for me is I had fun doing it (contributing/sharing) so there were no obligations but the fine line is drawn already.

just a little correction - I'm not frustrated. I just speak the truth off my mind that way. It's just that people don't like to phrase as blunt as I do because musicians are nice people and I'm not (musician/nice).

your observation is very correct on the "parents" support issue though. either the parents are against it but the child has passion (I come from this background with VS the entire family tree) or the parents are supportive and the kids... well, could use a little more "overdrive" on the passion side.heh.
 
XD overdrive.. Singaporeans are very conservative.. They are very cautious and safe so they tell their kids to go school, get a bloody diploma/degree and get preferably a 9-5 dull office job. Music is very risky thats true..

Another reason I garner is the type of music that is popular now. K-pop is very popular among teens of my age and they mostly don't play any instruments.. however their dancing and coordination is top notch. Also mainstream music are very heavy on electronic stuff like well.. uhh black eye peas/lady gaga/bieber you get the idea.. Nobody gets inspired to play actual music. Luckily I had awesome childhood friends who had me listen to my first song as punk rock.

There are probably alot of people in the 80s/90s where metallica/ guns n roses/ bon jovi/U2/megadeth/led zep were the 'mainstream'' bands and so they want to be able to play the music that they hear and enjoy.However they are also now around their 40-60s so they may have gotten more 'mature' and prefer slower and more relaxing music than hard rock/metal haha.. Musical tastes change as we grow older. I think this is the most significant factor.

Thought of it while cooking noodles just now haha.. sad life that many listening to soul-less music.. I term it as ''Fast-food music'', created just to sell albums and gain money. Lyrics are horrible too, all about sex, partying, money and nicki minaj's stupid hoe..

Maybe if we can have an area where anybody can just bring their instruments and play? Open-air venue? Maybe pay $10/h for the space or something.. But then the amps and speakers are an issue. Thinking of something like the outdoor theatre but anybody can go and perform and perhaps have small gigs/ battle of the bands.
 
that's all been said and done unfortunately. can anything be that popular coming from soft forum to attract more activity over convenience of facebook?

content is key.
 
mainstream music are very heavy on electronic stuff like well.. uhh black eye peas/lady gaga/bieber you get the idea.. Nobody gets inspired to play actual music.

hmmm, kinda intrigued me everytime when i see electronic music being mentioned when compared to music done with guitar/bass/drum..

i came from guitar background, had my times with those instrument and all the fun in it. But seriously, electronic music is of another different level which is in fact harder then what the average instrument welding folks knew. There is so much things in it inorder to have a complete piece of music that it make playing an instrument seem easy and straightforward.

Electronic stuff can be music, but done with entirely different process, mindset and skill. Knowing to play an instrument, is just playing an instrument only but absolute no help in producing a piece of fully arrange music. Knowing the trick behind those electronic stuff, hehe, is the key to have music being presented as a music meant to be heard and not just an instrument waiting to be arranged in a incomplete music piece.
 
I do know that electronic music is hard. I tried to pick up electronic music due to dubstep but it put me off soon. I bought a soft ribbon synth that I tried to play around with but its hard. Its not something anybody can learn if they do not have patience.
It is also an expensive hobby in that you have to buy alot of mixers/dj stuff and recording equipment.

Guitar probably can learn a simple song within 2 days. Alot of youtube videos about guitar too.
What im saying is that it is not easy to get started on electronic music and this can put some people off.
There are people who think that electronic music needs to be made in a professional studio.
 
I have been hanging around this forum since 2007, when i started my guitar hobby. Has been very active here all the time and i agree that it was because of things like facebook that caused soft to become more quiet. People used to come to soft and the hottest section was the Music kopitiam. Everyone just needed a place to rant and get advices. Now, facebook has replaced that.

Other hot topics that i know of is the gear guitar. People last time tend to be more, how do i put it.... there was more "bond" between fellow softies. Where people appreciate other peoples advise, and people are willing to help each other. Now, like blueprints have said, people come, get the answers and run off. Not even a simple "thank you"

Also, the buy/sell section are filled with price police and lowballers and also fake people (my own personal opinion). Sometimes people are all friendly and all with you, but once you tell them youre not interested in their product = instant cut off. They just cut contact with you. I find it very fake and i feel that these people are just out to look for a good deal or to "scam" someone who doesnt know his/her stuff.

I also stopped visit soft for about 3 years because of army and I lost interest in music, mainly because i had no time. But after i ORDed, I immediately bought a new guitar, amp and pedals and got started again. So yeah, my honest opinion is that soft will never be the same again but we can all do our part to try make soft a nicer and more comfortable place for everyone.
 
Ive highlighted the main problems in general, content for attraction is key. Anyone has any new good idea? As in something that's not done before. Sbcs..gatherings..
 
Gatherings... I really only can think of battle of the bands sia haha.
Fun competition to let everyone mingle and stuff..
 
Oops wait not battle of the bands.. that would invite trouble haha.
Non-competitive performance perhaps? Everyone gets a chance to be on stage.
 
hehe, gathering or event that bands come together and play with each other from afternoon till night...

hmmm isnt thats what the soft band collective is for? Heh the committee round here be sad to know that it aint reaching out far enough...
 
Well, at least Softs band movement started by bro Rudimental rummer is going strong
 
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Date: Sunday 24 June 2012
Time: 3pm
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