So I'm thinking about a new guitar!!

[subversion]

I gotta try out these edwards...but im gonna try getting my hands on the LP in the buy/sell first

disregard the brand name, acquire the one which would satiate your needs. also, do consider feasibility- would it be better to wait for a guitar which isn't readily available or snap up a good deal when it appears before you? only you can answer...

 

[kalibre]

how can one invoke accountability on others when one's opinion is law to the circumstances where other reasonable factors would probably come into play?.

Honestly, we should just be less accommodating towards dealers like that and naively try to justify their blatant complacency in matters. The fact is, the 'glaring facts' before me is that, there is no kid with jam on his hands, and there is no fat kid hiding behind the curtain. If everyone were to adopt your point of view on the matters of life then it would certainly complicated things unnecessarily. If i find someone dead on the floor and some other dude is leaning over him with a knife, should my immediate thought be that there was probably someone who stabbed him with something else but has now ran away to hide behind a tree? Sometimes taking things at face value is best. I think your efforts to encourage forumers like myself to consider the flip-side of things are appreciated, but there is also the danger of being overly eager to consider the flip-side of things so readily that we are in danger of losing our cynicism and skepticism such that we become submissive, accommodating push-overs.

 

[kalibre]

PatheinRaindropMoe

hahaha yeah it would be pretty cool to use as a signature, but subversion would probably mind.

 

[kalibre]

subversion

dude it's not me if thats what you're trying to say. seriously check the IPs or something. EDIT : oh and if you noticed, his post and my post after that are like a minute or less apart so yeah couldntve been me right? anyway, it does make me seem pretty guilty hahaha.

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

i is got heart one, i will take out things one and even if i really wanna put, prolly wont have enough space to put everything down. And most importanly, signature can still be moderated one.

Hehe, i know it, coz my old signature in the old soft before upgrading been moderated to be a friendly one which make no sense..

anyway, lets go back to guitar talk, commercial is over, troll is in bed.

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

focus, focus, lai, talk geetar, big words, big thoughts also never mind, like that kena little then detour liao, how can.

perhaps spinbro can pm howboutyousuckmylampa bro and chit chat while bro kalibre and bro sub can go back talk gibson, dealer, jam and getting voices heard!

edited: i wanna edit this post because i dont want to add another useless repsonse after a few above. So with this edited msg, its in response to kalibre response below on agreeing of friendly discussion till the troll appear. So now i guess things be better and discussion be right on track. If anyone suspect that iam a troll, do pm me. I love to have a meaningful chat tonight on how effect pedals affect life and in what relation it has to do with progression of balancing the mind sound body and musical taste in this modern society using simple engrish which everyone understand.

rove piss

 

[kalibre]

agreed. just wanted to have a friendly discussion, nothing more. too bad a troll had to come along.

 

[subversion]

dude it's not me if thats what you're trying to say.

no no no no- not referring to you, bro you won't believe that, because i tend to subvert issues which reek of snob politics/ brand following & the likes, people PM me to state their disagreement, some of which are downright profane- i'm referring to them. i won't check IP addr or anything like that because it's a sign of animosity. in this faceless cyberspace, once offended, people tend to harbour dissent. i'm fine with people disagreeing with me here; we are entitled to our stand/ philosophy especially in forums; to me it breeds a healthy exchange but taking it to heart is simply not worth it. for goodness sake, i don't even know you, if i make it personal, it's not reflective of the education we receive, yes? no worries bro kalibre- heated exchange, yes, but enmity isn't about to happen.

as prompted by PatheinRaindropMoe, let's get back on track- pertaining to this rotten dealership thingy, i might be touching on nerves here but manufacturers do act upon unsatisfactory dealership; we just need to recall that Seymour Duncan's original distributor isn't Davis... no specifics, ok? just allusion will do...

 

[subversion]

So now i guess things be better and discussion be right on track.

if it's about getting back on track, it'll happen in SOFT... other forums- no idea.

 

[kalibre]

no no no no- not referring to you, bro .

Well I'm glad at least someone gives my intellect enough credit to realise that I'm not someone who's as stupid as to flame someone I'm having a heated discussion with in the same thread. Anyway, back to topic I guess. The truth is, I'm thinking about getting a Gibson LP Std but the sheer lack of choice where these guitars are concerned has put me off quite a bit... sigh

 

[ShredCow]

i totally agree. i love mahagony tones, but hate chunky/heavy les paul feels.
shredcow, have u found a solution for this one?

unless.. it really boils down to the compromise...

Solution?

Don't buy an LP style guitar?

I wouldn't be able to cop a Les Paul tone out of a superstrat but then again, do I really want a les paul tone? Hmmmm....

 

[subversion]

i used to be in this quandary but my decision was firm- i won't get from any other sources because i'm rather particular about trying, seeing & knowing that the guitar won't be a regretful investment. nevermind if i have to make do with the limited selections here. the LP Std i bought- i was lucky enough to come across an OK piece pertaining to fit/ finish. the only repulsive factor was the non-book matched flame top but i'm not a flame fanatic. the wine red is dark enough to make me ignore this 'imperfection'.

bro- i think it didn't put you off 'a bit'- a lot, rather...

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

interestingly, on the dealership thingy on gibson, iam not sure if anyone heard about or read about on how gibson does it. It seem like its not even if the dealer got money and willing to bring in stock, they can.

Over the years from "reading" forums, it doesnt seem that straight forward for gibson dealers, having money and can just bring in anything they want. Theres quota, sales figure and other criterias to meet before they allow the dealer to bring in stuff. Theres also some hoohaass 2 years back when they issue letters to dealer over limiting the prices or stock on gibson over internet. There seem to be lotsa thing behind the way of working which us as consumer and guitar playing dudes cant see and i think thats the most interesting part

I might be wrong in the above, so yeah please correct me or pm me and talk about evolution of effect pedals with society progression if wanna!

 

[kalibre]

i used to be in this quandary but ..

hahaha yeah i guess it's annoyed me quite a bit. wait no, a lot as you said hahahah. i'm pretty particular about getting a good piece too, i mean noone wants to drop 3k on something thats gonna turn out to be bad right? But from what I've been reading over at the Les Paul Forum, Centre City Music is a great choice for getting guitars without trying. Supposedly the dealer there, Saul, is very personable and a great person to buy guitars from. I guess I'm just doing my research bit by bit.

 

[kalibre]

PatheinRaindropMoe

well maybe Gibson should consider breaking the monopoly in the market here by awarding dealership rights to another dealer as well. Just like there are multiple dealers in the US, there should be more than one dealer here too right? That'll probably help lower the insanely high prices of gibsons over here...

 

[subversion]

...but then again, do I really want a les paul tone? Hmmmm....

a classic needs assessment reply...

 

[subversion]

there should be more than one dealer here too right? That'll probably help lower the insanely high prices of gibsons over here...

we need to know if the dealership deal is exclusive or partnership/ dual distributorship deal is allowed- maybe that's why there are >1 dealers in some places.

 

[kalibre]

i guess if the country is small then it would make sense to have only one dealer, if you're looking at it in that way. but the flip-side to consider is that all commercial entities are profit driven and so the danger of them monopolizing the market is very real so i guess thats something you have to consider too.

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

that wud seem the more logical thing to do i guess. But from the size of where we are, the idea of having another dealer and whether can the market sustain the cost for dealers to be constantly selling the goods, getting more goods in, thats another thing

further more, if theres 2 or more authorized dealers, there wont be much price difeerences or cheaper also. The main company of supplying the goods will have a suggested manufacturer price and when it goes down to the dealer, they will have to abide by it. Although one dealer can sell cheaper by a lil bit and always, the other dealer heard bout it, feedback to main company, it can get the other dealer into trouble. Heh, singapore very small one, once you undercut or do biz in dodgy way, while it benefit the buyers, the bad biz ethic will spread..

sometime the biz dealing is pretty harsh, but thats the way it is i guess.

Heh, and even if they do appoint another dealership, i hope gibson got study geography to know that singapore not very big, east coast/side and west coast/side is so near that its prolly not economical to divide the pie in too many pieces

 

[kalibre]

I think only good will come out of awarding dealership rights to another company. At least that'll bring the prices of gibsons in singapore out of the sky and down to internationally acceptable standards. and hey, in free market economics, healthy competition is always good right? More distributers will also mean greater range of products and more public awareness, which is probably also a good thing.