Sample sales at East West

Halloween is long gone. But if you access the main website, some of the items are on 50% sale including EWQLSO Platinum.
 
thanks, I'm new to sampling. I realize some CDs still on sale.
I see that you are good at sampling, I do have some questions, I hope you can answer them:

1) can a Roland format CD upload to a AKAI or EMU sampler?
2) if my sampler is only 256MB, does that means it can load
sample waveform of size up to 256MB?
or is it the total of waveforms size I can load?
3) how can an audio sampler CD be uploaded to a hardware sampler?
4) can a hardware sampler be use as a multi-timbre music device for
MIDI sequemcing?

I hope you can help me, you see I just bought an Akai S6000 and EMU6400 sampler lately,
I do have a Akai S2000 max ram 32MB which I load samples diskette.

thank you,
newbie100
 
As I said in the other thread, I would suggest switching over to software sampling. It's going to be harder and harder to get rid of hardware samplers since not many people are using them nowadays. But to answer your questions:

1. No. There are ways around it. You can convert the format into Akai using software like Chicken System translator. Or, you can get a software sampler...
2. 256MB will be the total size of all waveforms you can load. It is severely limited. You can, however, add more RAM but you'll still be limited... or you can get a software sampler...
3. Most of the hardware samplers can also load in raw wav files (ie audio). Should be the same way you load any sample. Follow your instruction manauls
4. Yes.

Give you a quick comparison (you can do a search in soft forums for discussions on this):
Software samplers can load in GBs of samples, not MBs. I can load close to 10GB of samples in one instance on a 2GB RAM machine. They don't load it totally into the RAM but only the first third or so of the sample; the rest is being streamed from the HD. This is highly efficient as compared to hardware.

You'll know by now that loading times of your hardware samplers are dreadfully slow. Imagine having to load a template from different disks and each take minutes to load. I can load 10GB of samples in less than 1 minute and they are all located on one HD for easy access and management.

Also, software samplers are linked directly to your sequencer internally. No external midi cables except to your midi controller. You also get to work on a large monitor as compared to a small LCD screen, a mouse navigator compared to small arrow buttons, at least 16x4 midi channels (can be more more depending on how much your CPU and RAM can take) as compared to only 16 channels, up to 300/400 notes polyphony (depending on the software and your CPU/RAM) as compared to a max of 128 (most hardware sampleers are about 64 notes or less polyphony) etc. Also add to the fact that you can do a lot of other stuffs with a PC that you can't do on a hardware sampler!

Anyway, welcome to sampling!
 
Oh, forgot to add. Software samplers are easier to add other VST plug-ins like effects and reverbs within the sequencer or sometimes within the softsampler itself.

All in all, it makes your workflow and music writing a much easier and pleasant experience.
 
Cheez said:
Oh, forgot to add. Software samplers are easier to add other VST plug-ins like effects and reverbs within the sequencer or sometimes within the softsampler itself.

All in all, it makes your workflow and music writing a much easier and pleasant experience.

Hi Cheez,

thank you for the advice, how do we buy as mail order?
I PM you.

another question, is it better to buy 'audio' format or 'akai' format ?

thank you
 
Hi Cheez,

What are the difference between these formats?

Format:

Acid

AIFF

Akai

Apple Loops/Garageband

Audio

Emu

EXS24

GigaSampler

Halion

Kontakt

Kurzweil

REX

Roland

SampleCell

UNITY

WAV
 
They are simply samples in different formats. EXS24 is used by the EXS sampler from Logic, Halion is from Steinberg, Kontakt is from Native Instruments, Gigasampler from Tascam etc. Most of them are self-explanatory. ACID is a format used in wav files - if you sequencer or player can read Acidized wav, it gives the added ability to manipulte tempo and pitch - great if you are into loops.

It is best to get samples in the format your sampler reads as that gives the best results. For example, I use Gigastudio. I only get Giga format. In the event when some libraries don't have the giga format (eg Symphony of Voices by Spectrasonics comes only in Emu, Roland and Akai) - I can get Akai format and Giga converts it. But as much as possible, all my samples are in giga format.

If you are using an Akai hardware sampler, then get Akai. Wav samples comes only with the raw wav files. They are not formatted and therefore will need a lot of programming to get it to work well (hence they are always cheaper). The sample formats don't just play one sample - the programming is very important. For example, the programming may include things like key-switching (ie pressing certain keys - usually lower registers - will trigger certain samples), round robin (playing repeated notes trigger different samples and so give more variation to your sound and getting rid of the "machine-gun" effect), release trigger (afte releasing a key, it triggers another sample). All these cannot be programmed in wav format. The wav format will give you all the articulations, but as you can imagine, to make it work well, you'll have to program each articulation yourself. Only get wav if you want loops (and if possible, get acidized wav).
 
hi, thank you again for the kind generousity.
you are very helpful.

one last question - so 'audio' format, is it 'wav' files?
 
Hi Cheez,
thank you very much for all the info.
the 'sounds on line' website is very good,
we can listen to most of the product demo.
sure to buy some CDs from them.
 
One tip about getting sample CDs online. Always check different sources for competitive prices. And always buy during sales (like Christmas) - you're sure to get a discounted price. The price fluctuates a lot at different times acorss different sellers.

Also check out the individual developers website for the price of sale - eg SAM, PMI, Yellow Tools etc. Soundsonline is part of East West but they also sell samples from other developers. So if you want to purchase samples from other developers other than East West, check out their own websites.

Don't forget MTLC. They usually give quite good discount (many times is the lowest price you can find). The problem is they have high overseas shipping cost, which I think can be significantly reduced if you use vPost. Times+space may also have great discounts - I've got quite a number of samples from them during their blow-out sales - some up to 70% discount. The last sample I got from then used to cost around 200+USD but their sale reduced it to about 20USD because they are clearing their stock! It was in Akai format not giga - but it converted well and the price was so low that it's hard to let it pass by.
 
Hi,
I've email EastWest and was
informed that every US$200
above purchase will get free
shipping.

I'll be buying those US$19.95
samples CD for my hardware
samplers, probably will move
on to use software sampler
after checking out the current
new DVD samples disc which are
so much better!

I'm keeping the hardware samplers
because they give a warmer sound,
especially the EMU which has z-plane
filters.

Of course there's a big difference
in sound quality compare to current
software samplers.

thank you again for sharing such
good information, have a enjoyable
weekend.
 
Do update us on your purchase and post some music with your new samples!

By the way, hardware samplers don't give warmer sounds. All this can be manipulated via reverb plug-ins in software. By the way, Emu has already started to move into software sampling. Akai has not come up with newer hardware samplers but have gone into their MPC sampling products aimed more at the DJ circle. That is a sign that hardware sampling is not going to be around very much longer.
 
Cheez said:
One tip about getting sample CDs online. Always check different sources for competitive prices. And always buy during sales (like Christmas) - you're sure to get a discounted price. The price fluctuates a lot at different times acorss different sellers.

Don't forget MTLC. They usually give quite good discount (many times is the lowest price you can find). The problem is they have high overseas shipping cost, which I think can be significantly reduced if you use vPost. Times+space may also have great discounts - I've got quite a number of samples from them during their blow-out sales - some up to 70% discount. The last sample I got from then used to cost around 200+USD but their sale reduced it to about 20USD because they are clearing their stock! It was in Akai format not giga - but it converted well and the price was so low that it's hard to let it pass by.

Hi, somebody told me don't get carried away by the sample demos from SoundsOnLine website, their samples don't make it to the mark, is that so?

I'm considering to get ProSamples CDs, are they good ?
 
Newbie, I've pm you. But I'll repeat here for the sake of other readers.

Prosamples are exerpts from the larger libraries. I've never own prosamples, so I can't tell you more. Some people have commented that some of the samples are useful.

What kind of music are you writing? Maybe I can help you here. If you have the money, try to go for the actual libraries rather than prosamples.

As for what you've heard about their samples not making to the mark, that's not correct. The problem with demos is that they are created by people who are very good in sequencing. If you get hold of the samples and don't have the skills to do it, you'll end up with sub-standard music. People often complain that they purchased the samples but cannot make it sound like the demos. It's not a problem with the samples - it's a problem with techniques. Most samples are not meant to be played like a keyboard - ie what you play is what you get. You need sequencing skills to make it reaslistic.

If you listen to my music in soundclick, you'll understand. My songs were made with VERY OLD samples that were outdated. I've got newer samples now and I'm in the process of writing new ones. If you play my old samples straight off the keyboard, it will sound terrible. But after proper sequencing, it sounds different.

People who play keyboard will find that when they first start sampling, the samples sound worse than their keyboards. That's because keyboards are programmed to be played as it is. Samples are not meant to be played live but sequenced. If sequenced properly, samples will sound 50x better and more realistic than the best keyboard module you can ever find. Sequencing with samplers and sequencing with synths are very different and require different skills.

So my advice is, use the demos as a guide. They tell you how it can sound like, but you may or may not be able to achieve it. The rest is up to you to work on your sequencing skills (which was discussed in previous threads - under "Tips and Tricks of Sequencing". If possible, get larger libraries. The only problem with the larger libraries is that they are not going to fit into your hardware sampler because of RAM limitations.
 
Hi Cheez,

Thank you for all the info,
I listened to your demos
and they are very well done.

Any book to recommend to improve
my sequencing skills?
 

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