Pls help to recommend a digital piano for jazz piano learner
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ghn4ever
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Indigo_blues said:wow, u already have an acoustic piano and a p120... hmm then maybe all u need is just a drum machine with built in bass to practice along... The p120 is more than enuff for jazz playing imo.. buying a bigger keyboard with a rhythm generator won't really solve your problem if it is a playing/technical kind of a thing... u'll probably find yourself stuck again..
iansoh is right.. think u need to practice more with a metronome first maybe.. actually if u have a computer at home, u can even use that with some software to generate a rhythm easily..The more u practice, the more 'relax' u will be..
does this one gonna help me ? http://www.yamahasynth.com/products/ry20/index.html
Cheez
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You'll need monitor speakers if you want to get a rhythm generator. Now it's clearer to us what your problem is.
You mentioned you have learned classical piano for a few years. May I ask what are you learning now? If you are playing from a DP from your teacher, I will assume you are not learning classical piano since no classical pianist will use a digital piano to teach. Are you learning pop or jazz piano? I you are learning Jazz the ABRSM way, then I don't think you should even be using rhythm. You have to get your technique right first.
I agree with Iansoh - playing with CD is a good way to learn rhythm-sense. Cheaper too. And also train your ears at the same time.
Since you already have the P120, having another keyboard is an overkill. Unless - sell your P120 and get a DGX620. But mind you, you are trading something with good touch with another with probably worse touch response. I've not tried the DGX620, so I can't tell you more. Do you really want to do that?
In the good old days, I used the lousy walkman to be my player to learn rhythm. Those were the pre-CD days. Everything is tape. Don't have a rhythm generator etc.
You mentioned you have learned classical piano for a few years. May I ask what are you learning now? If you are playing from a DP from your teacher, I will assume you are not learning classical piano since no classical pianist will use a digital piano to teach. Are you learning pop or jazz piano? I you are learning Jazz the ABRSM way, then I don't think you should even be using rhythm. You have to get your technique right first.
I agree with Iansoh - playing with CD is a good way to learn rhythm-sense. Cheaper too. And also train your ears at the same time.
Since you already have the P120, having another keyboard is an overkill. Unless - sell your P120 and get a DGX620. But mind you, you are trading something with good touch with another with probably worse touch response. I've not tried the DGX620, so I can't tell you more. Do you really want to do that?
In the good old days, I used the lousy walkman to be my player to learn rhythm. Those were the pre-CD days. Everything is tape. Don't have a rhythm generator etc.
Cheez
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RD300SX is OK. Interestingly, somebody just pm me asking about the RD300SX. It problem is that it doesn't have build-in speakers. I've not gone into the inner-workings of the RD700SX (only tried it) - but if the rhythm is the same as the RD700, it does not come with accompaniment. It only plays drum beats with no bass, and no variations. Perhaps somebody who has spent more time with the RD700SX and RD300SX can concur with that.
If you REALLY want something with rhythm, you'd better off with the DGX or PSR, although the latter doesn't come with weighted keys. But given that you are playing jazz, do know that not all the rhythm will be useful to you. In fact, perhaps a large chunk of the rhythm banks may not be useful to jazz playing.
If you REALLY want something with rhythm, you'd better off with the DGX or PSR, although the latter doesn't come with weighted keys. But given that you are playing jazz, do know that not all the rhythm will be useful to you. In fact, perhaps a large chunk of the rhythm banks may not be useful to jazz playing.
Indigo_blues
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u could try some of the higher end clavinovas... comes with rhythm generator as well but not portable at all.
iansoh
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honestly, more gear will not help u. Get your hands dirty and woodshed. and get help if u need it. I agree with cheez - your priority should be technique, ABRSM way or not. You shouldnt be too concerned abt drum beats for now.
listen to your cds and beat the main beats. Hands and legs? One hand will do. Once u can distinguish the 1 2 3 4 of whatever the drummer is playing on the cd, u are ready to practice with a rhythm box.
listen to your cds and beat the main beats. Hands and legs? One hand will do. Once u can distinguish the 1 2 3 4 of whatever the drummer is playing on the cd, u are ready to practice with a rhythm box.
Cheez
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Err, that doesn't sound like a good reason to get the RD300SX. You shouldn't get it because the other potential keyboards are out of stock. Many times, you may end up disappointed or acquiring a white elephant. Sometimes, it's better to be patient and wait for stock to arrive; at the same time exploring all your options logically.
But then, since you already got it... hope it will serve your purpose.
To answer your question, midi does not transmit audio. Midi is a universal languange electronic instruments use to talk to one another. To get sound out, you'll need to connect the audio out to speakers. You can use computer speakers, but then it will do a great disservice to the RD300SX. I'm not exactly sure what you meant by "amplifier". If you have an amp speaker, it is also not recommended for home use particularly keyboards. We want hi-definition, clear keyboard sounds - something amps and PC speakers will not give you. You can, however, use headphones. Best thing now is to get a pair of monitor speakers.
But then, since you already got it... hope it will serve your purpose.
To answer your question, midi does not transmit audio. Midi is a universal languange electronic instruments use to talk to one another. To get sound out, you'll need to connect the audio out to speakers. You can use computer speakers, but then it will do a great disservice to the RD300SX. I'm not exactly sure what you meant by "amplifier". If you have an amp speaker, it is also not recommended for home use particularly keyboards. We want hi-definition, clear keyboard sounds - something amps and PC speakers will not give you. You can, however, use headphones. Best thing now is to get a pair of monitor speakers.
ghn4ever
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:smt089 :smt089 Cheeze, you said RD300sx is ok. and the reviews of RD300sx are very positive. :smt089
NVM.. I like the piano sound from RD300sx :smt098
If d computer speaker and d amplifier for home theater can not do, then which brand of monitor speakers would you recommend ? RD300sx's Power Consumption 11 W.
I learned both MIDI Connectors (IN, OUT) and USB Connector (MIDI) can transmit midi, but which calbe would better in terms of producing be better sound?
NVM.. I like the piano sound from RD300sx :smt098
If d computer speaker and d amplifier for home theater can not do, then which brand of monitor speakers would you recommend ? RD300sx's Power Consumption 11 W.
I learned both MIDI Connectors (IN, OUT) and USB Connector (MIDI) can transmit midi, but which calbe would better in terms of producing be better sound?
Cheez
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Err, I did say that the RD300SX is OK as a keyboard, but whether it suits your need, it's another question. I also said that the rhythm tracks may not have accompaniment and variations which may not be what you wanted. Also, I think we all suggested not jumping into getting new hardware too quickly. What I'm suggesting is not going into a keyboard until you have tried ALL options - whether be it other models of perhaps even not getting one at all. Unless you urgently need it, then of course it's OK. Otherwise you may find others more suitable to your needs - you won't know until you've tried them out. The key is not whether the RD300SX is a good keyboard - there's not doubt that it is. The key is what best suits your needs.
But nevermind. You like the piano sound - that's good. The most important thing is you like it and it is eventually useful for you.
Midi and the USB connector DO NOT transmit audio signals. They transmit midi signals which is NOT audio. Midi signals, as I explained, is the system messages used by electornic instruments. They transmit info like notes, velocity, duration of notes, controller changes (mod wheel, sustain, pitch bend, expression pedal...), aftertouch, program changes etc. The only thing that transmit audio from your keyboard is the audio out (L and R) and the headphone jack.
For speakers, you can try the home theater amp. It may give sufficient definition. It's just a hassle that everytime you want to play, you have to turn on your theatre system. PC speaker - well, it depends on what the brand is. But generally speaking, it is pretty low-fi. My suggestion is DON'T get any monitor speakers yet - try out your existing speakers at home. If it works for you, then continue with it. Unless of course, you don't mind spending more money...
But nevermind. You like the piano sound - that's good. The most important thing is you like it and it is eventually useful for you.
Midi and the USB connector DO NOT transmit audio signals. They transmit midi signals which is NOT audio. Midi signals, as I explained, is the system messages used by electornic instruments. They transmit info like notes, velocity, duration of notes, controller changes (mod wheel, sustain, pitch bend, expression pedal...), aftertouch, program changes etc. The only thing that transmit audio from your keyboard is the audio out (L and R) and the headphone jack.
For speakers, you can try the home theater amp. It may give sufficient definition. It's just a hassle that everytime you want to play, you have to turn on your theatre system. PC speaker - well, it depends on what the brand is. But generally speaking, it is pretty low-fi. My suggestion is DON'T get any monitor speakers yet - try out your existing speakers at home. If it works for you, then continue with it. Unless of course, you don't mind spending more money...
iansoh
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hey u know I accompanied a friend to buy the P70 from yamaha (PS) the other day, and the salesman also told my friend to connect the P70 to an amp thru midi! he started talking about "VHS plugs with many pins" and "passive/active speaker with subwoofer" but nothing he said was related to analog output. which, btw, the P70 doesn't have. it only has 2 headphone outs. i was just chuckling quietly to myself the whole time.
ghn4ever, connect midi out from your RD300sx to midi in of your P120, the audio will come out from the P120 speakers. should be good enough for you home user.
ghn4ever, connect midi out from your RD300sx to midi in of your P120, the audio will come out from the P120 speakers. should be good enough for you home user.
Cheez
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iansoh said:
That will defeat the purpose of ghn4ever getting the RD300SX in the first place! The P120 touch is probably as good, if not better, than the RD300SX. The key of the RD300SX is the sound. Connecting midi from RD300SX to the P120 will only trigger the sound from the P120. The only option is to connect the audio out from the RD300SX to a pair of speakers.
By the way, I've seen those audio cables with the 5 pins that look exactly like midi cables - one end 5 pin male plug, the other end L and R RCA male plugs. In fact, I have one of them myself! I got no idea what it is for, but maybe it is for VHS. Iansoh, you should have corrected that guy! How could you!!!
But ghn4ever, don't worry about this. All you need to know is that midi cables do not transmit audio.
ghn4ever
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Prof Cheez: There are 2 ways to connect RD300 to a PC:
1. Standard MIDI in/out ports (5 pins)
2. USB MIDI port, one-cable midi communication
My question is which cable will provide better sound?
And if I connect my RD300sx to PC thru these cable, would d sound come out from my PC ? (pls just tell me yes or no,
the jargons that your used confused me.)
Btw, My PC speaker is Creative, and my speaker for home theater is Bose 301. So can use them ? I m afraid the stereo power of Bose speakers with Marantz amp (80 watts) exceeding the power of this digital piano (11watts) will cause damage of my new DP. For P120, I m considering to lend it to my friend.
1. Standard MIDI in/out ports (5 pins)
2. USB MIDI port, one-cable midi communication
My question is which cable will provide better sound?
And if I connect my RD300sx to PC thru these cable, would d sound come out from my PC ? (pls just tell me yes or no,
the jargons that your used confused me.) Btw, My PC speaker is Creative, and my speaker for home theater is Bose 301. So can use them ? I m afraid the stereo power of Bose speakers with Marantz amp (80 watts) exceeding the power of this digital piano (11watts) will cause damage of my new DP. For P120, I m considering to lend it to my friend.
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