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To answer your question, think of a Cmin6 as an inversion of Amin7b5. They have the exact same notes.
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Present a typical jazz standard to a classical music student who has perfect pitch. They can transcribe the piece quite easily.
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By being able to hear one note, soon(maybe years) you'll be hear a stack which is chords. Key center is much more important than interval training. Typically classical interval training has no key center and the brain assumes the first note to be the root as there are no chords over the 2 intervals. There are many melodies which don't start on the root note, so how?
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Take another melody, rudolph the red nosed reindeer. It goes, so la so mi do la so, so la so la so do ti for the first 2 bars. Imagine you use the interval method and use 'Do' as a starting point. It'll be all wrong as one has failed to identity that the starting melody note is a 5th or So.
Ear training is best done with a chord progression going on either in the mind or being physically played.
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KC
KC -
yes now that you put it that way! argh sometimes i'm defeated by simple permutations.. thanks a whole bunch for that
OH and btw, i really doubt the typical classical student (anyway the typical local classical student) would have an easy time transcribing any given piece. from my experience classical players here are much too dependent on their visual skills.. they usually play what's given. i've only come to know of transcriptions myself when i took O levels music.. when it was made part of the exams (that's the sad part again, whatever isn't covered in exams are usually skimmed through.)
the other odd thing is, picking out chord-types (like, that's a minor, maj7, back to min etc) comes by easier than i can pick out individual notes.. and i get stumped when i have to groped around for that Specific minor or maj7 chords i have to play (like was it Em or Am?) sometimes the basic progression helps, cos sometimes feeling around the keyboard is enough. but i hate it when something new gets thrown in and i stumble. but then again i suspect this is one problem that can be solved if you're more well versed in the many varied progressions there are, in rock/pop/jazz/etc.. (which boils down to more practice again!)
Having a sense of 'key center' is undeniably important, but kind of limiting, seeing how our key centers rarely escapes the typical major/minor modes.. but still i can see how it would really help in training for relative pitch
btw since you brought up this topic, the 'la' in a major scale is the 'doh' of a minor scale right?
thanks for your inputs btw.. i've really learnt alot through all these posts
and that's to you cheez and pf and piano_ex and others who chipped in as well, thanks alot!
Arigatou!
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